
Home  Forums  Rules  Articles  The diyAudio Store  Gallery  Blogs  Register  Donations  FAQ  Calendar  Search  Today's Posts  Mark Forums Read  Search 
Tubes / Valves All about our sweet vacuum tubes :) Threads about Musical Instrument Amps of all kinds should be in the Instruments & Amps forum 

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.
Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving 

Thread Tools  Search this Thread 
14th November 2011, 12:20 AM  #1  
diyAudio Moderator

GM70 and Other LTSpice Tube Models
Quote:
* Created on Sun Nov 13 19:04:11 EST 2011 using tube.model.finder.PaintKIT * Traced by Kevin Kennedy and revised for LTSpice compatibility * .SUBCKT GM70 1 2 3 ; P G K ; + PARAMS: MU=7.644 EX=1.274 KG1=1455.0 KP=135.0 KVB=24.75 VCT=0.2320 * Vp_MAX=2000.0 Ip_MAX=0.3 Vg_step=20.0 * E1 7 0 VALUE={V(1,3)/KP*LOG(1+EXP(KP*(1/MU+(VCT+V(2,3))/SQRT(KVB+V(1,3)*V(1,3)))))} RE1 7 0 1E9 G1 1 3 VALUE={(PWR(V(7),EX)+PWRS(V(7),EX))/KG1} RCP 1 3 1E9 ; TO AVOID FLOATING NODES CCG 2 3 8p ; CATHODEGRID CGP 2 1 12p ; GRID=PLATE CCP 1 3 4p ; CATHODEPLATE D3 5 3 DX ; FOR GRID CURRENT RGI 2 5 2000 ; FOR GRID CURRENT .MODEL DX D(IS=1N RS=1 CJO=10PF TT=1N) .ENDS GM70 Perhaps this is of interest and hopefully not too far OT. Edit: Note that I have replaced the model with one that will work properly in LTSpice and also revised CCG, CGP, CCP values to reflect the data sheet. Hopefully it works OK.. (Seems to behave more or less as I would expect in a quick run.) Note that I have removed an earlier version and replaced it with this so you should check to see if this is what you have.
__________________
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  Carl Sagan 

14th November 2011, 05:15 PM  #2 
diyAudio Moderator

Model seems to function reasonably based on simulation results. As always YMMV..
Please feel free to add models here, particularly of some of the more obscure Russian and German types.
__________________
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  Carl Sagan 
14th November 2011, 06:07 PM  #3 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2011

Hello
I have GM70 and want build SE.Plate voltage 950V, P=20VA. I don't know how supply cathode. I use electronic filter in my preamp, but P=60VA? I hear this tube, it is HIFI! aeandm 
14th November 2011, 06:15 PM  #4 
diyAudio Moderator

I can recommend Rod Coleman's large DHT CCS based on my own experience.
Here is the data sheet I used to generate my model: http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/f...084/g/GM70.pdf An alternative data sheet is here: http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/f...018/g/GM70.pdf Filament power consumption is 60W (3A x 20V) and for SE operation needs to be DC for low noise. The GM70 sounds very good.
__________________
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  Carl Sagan 
14th November 2011, 06:17 PM  #5 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Feb 2010

Thanks a lot kevinkr.
Indeed, I am searching for spice models for Soviet tubes. All models will be gratefully received. 
15th November 2011, 04:32 AM  #6 
diyAudio Moderator

6S19P
** 6S19P ************************************************** **********
* Created on Mon Nov 14 22:57:01 EST 2011 using tube.model.finder.PaintKIT * Traced by Kevin Kennedy * .SUBCKT 6S19P 1 2 3 ; P G K ; + PARAMS: CCG=6.5P CGP=8P CCP=2.5P RGI=2000 + MU=2.3520 EX=1.526 KG1=2235.0 KP=19.5 KVB=1.875 VCT=0.0280 * Vp_MAX=380.0 Ip_MAX=0.15 Vg_step=20.0 * E1 7 0 VALUE={V(1,3)/KP*LOG(1+EXP(KP*(1/MU+(VCT+V(2,3))/SQRT(KVB+V(1,3)*V(1,3)))))} RE1 7 0 1G G1 1 3 VALUE={(PWR(V(7),EX)+PWRS(V(7),EX))/KG1} RCP 1 3 1G ; TO AVOID FLOATING NODES C1 2 3 {CCG} ; CATHODEGRID C2 2 1 {CGP} ; GRID=PLATE C3 1 3 {CCP} ; CATHODEPLATE D3 5 3 DX ; FOR GRID CURRENT R1 2 5 {RGI} ; FOR GRID CURRENT .MODEL DX D(IS=1N RS=1 CJO=10PF TT=1N) .ENDS 6S19P Again provided without warranty, but it does seem to work OK in LTSpice. I had a little more trouble matching the curves on this one, not quite as close as I would have liked, but within a few % or better.
__________________
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  Carl Sagan 
15th November 2011, 05:05 AM  #7 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Johnson City, TN

Here are the 6P41S and 6J9P:
I made the model for the 6P41S using "Paint_KIP.jar" from this site: Model Paint Tools: Trace Tube Parameters over Plate Curves, Interactively Both models suffer from g2 not accuratly depicting screen current at low current levels. I have seen the same problem with Koren models for 6V6, so this seems to be a common problem. ** 6P41S ************************************************** ********** * Created on Wed Jun 15 21:32:10 EDT 2011 using tube.model.finder.PaintKIP * model URL: * .SUBCKT PENT_6P41S 1 2 3 4 ; P G K G2 + PARAMS: CCG=3P CGP=1.4P CCP=1.9P RGI=2000 + MU=91.184 EX=1.3719 KG1=275.0 KG2=4500.0 KP=10.65 KVB=45.0 ; Vp_MAX=420.0 Ip_M AX=0.256 Vg_step=1.0 * RE1 7 0 1MEG ; DUMMY SO NODE 7 HAS 2 CONNECTIONS E1 7 0 VALUE= ; E1 BREAKS UP LONG EQUATION FOR G1. +{V(4,3)/KP*LOG(1+EXP((1/MU+V(2,3)/V(4,3))*KP))} G1 1 3 VALUE={(PWR(V(7),EX)+PWRS(V(7),EX))/KG1*ATAN(V(1,3)/KVB)} G2 4 3 VALUE={(EXP(EX*(LOG((V(4,3)/MU)+V(2,3)))))/KG2} RCP 1 3 1G ; FOR CONVERGENCE C1 2 3 {CCG} ; CATHODEGRID 1 C2 1 2 {CPG1} ; GRID 1PLATE C3 1 3 {CCP} ; CATHODEPLATE R1 2 5 {RGI} ; FOR GRID CURRENT D3 5 3 DX ; FOR GRID CURRENT .MODEL DX D(IS=1N RS=1 CJO=10PF TT=1N) .ENDS The 6J9P is a hodgepodge of bits and peices I stitched together and follows: * * * Filename: 6J9P.inc 6142011 * Simulator: LTSpice * Device type: Pentode * Device model: 6J9P * * Author: Steven Parfitt * Date: 6142011 * Copyright: (C) * Pins A Anode * S Screen * G Grid * K Cathode * * * * The following parameters are not modelled: * * (1) Heater * * Please note that this model is bits and pieces taken from several sources and as such * is provided "as is" with no warranty or other guarantee of its suitability * for any application. * * .SUBCKT 6J9P A S G K .PARAM VA0=100 .PARAM VS0=150 .PARAM VG0=1 .PARAM IA0=43m .PARAM IS0=5m .PARAM MU=72 .PARAM STEPEN=1.5 .PARAM KSA=0.1 .PARAM NORM=PWR((VS0/MU+VG0),STEPEN) .PARAM PEREGIB=1000 .PARAM NORM2=(2*PWR(VA0,2)+VA0)/(2*PWR(VA0,2)+VA0+PEREGIB) Bgs gs2 0 V=PWR((URAMP(V(S,K)/MU+V(G,K))),STEPEN)/(NORM) Bn n 0 V=V(A,K)/(V(gs2)+1u) Bat WIN 0 V=(2*PWR(V(n),2)+V(n))/(2*PWR(V(n),2)+V(n)+PEREGIB)/(NORM2) Banode cc 0 V=V(gs2)*V(WIN) * * Calculate anode current * Ba A K I=(IA0+IS0)*V(cc)*(1KSA) * * Calculate screen current * Bscrn sc 0 V=V(gs2)*(1V(WIN)) Bs S K I=(IA0+IS0)*V(sc)*(1KSA)+KSA*((IA0+IS0)*V(cc)) * * Grid current (approximation  does not model low va/vs) * Bg G K I=PWR((URAMP(V(G,K)),1.5))*50E6+V(G,K)/30Meg * * Capacitances * Cg1 G K 13.5p Cak A S1 1.8p Cg1a G A 0.045p R1 S1 K 0.01 Cs1 S1 G 1p Cgs G S 3p .ENDS Both suffer from low screen current at low plate current values. This seems to be typical for pentode/tetrode models as I've seen the same problem with 6V6 and 6L6 models. 
22nd January 2012, 07:38 AM  #8 
diyAudio Member

Gurskii  A Simple Tube Simulation Improvement
In the Feb 2011 issue of Audio Xpress, Dr. Gurskii presented an improvement on the Koren model for tubes with screen grid. For simulating the screen current, we can use the equation shown in the attachment.
e.g. for EF86 would be G2 8 3 VALUE={(PWR(V(7),EX)+PWRS(V(7),EX))/KC*(2.5708ATAN(V(1,3)/KVB))} Hope this helps with screen current... Jaz 
25th January 2012, 08:16 PM  #9  
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Mar 2008

Quote:
I can't find parameter <KC> in Koren's model. Can you explain ? ****************** .SUBCKT EF86 1 2 3 4 ; A G2 G1 C (Pentode) * Philips data sheet AKA 6CF8 and 6267 Z729 EF806 * library format: LTSpice 02Jun2008 X1 1 2 3 4 PENTODE1 MU=34.90 EX=1.350 KG1=2648.1 KG2=4500 KP=222.06 KVB=4.7 VCT=0.00 RGI=2000 CCG=4.3p CPG1=0.6p CCP=5.1p ; .ENDS EF86
__________________
Judge: This court appreciates that you invented physics, Mr.Newton, but unfortunately you can't have a patent on it. 

25th January 2012, 11:45 PM  #10 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Ashland,Ky U.S

Here is a link with two model files that have many common tubes that work with ltspice. :: View topic  Updated Tube Models

Thread Tools  Search this Thread 


Similar Threads  
Thread  Thread Starter  Forum  Replies  Last Post 
6C33C tube socket for GM70 tube??  gaborbela  Tubes / Valves  9  17th June 2011 06:23 AM 
New GM70 tube with problem  FullRangeMan  Tubes / Valves  9  17th June 2010 01:10 PM 
LtSpice  Russian tube models  Svein_B  Tubes / Valves  11  5th May 2010 03:55 AM 
Ltspice and Valve models  Melon Head  Tubes / Valves  3  18th October 2009 09:35 AM 
Need help with tube models in LTSpice  Bitrex  Tubes / Valves  5  6th August 2009 08:28 PM 
New To Site?  Need Help? 