Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Tubes / Valves
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Tubes / Valves All about our sweet vacuum tubes :) Threads about Musical Instrument Amps of all kinds should be in the Instruments & Amps forum

diyAudio Sponsor

Search for a tube at thetubestore.com                            Product reviews and more

Audio tubes for any amplifier: from high end home audio to classic guitar amps.

Quick links by tube type: 12AX7, EL34, 6L6, KT66, 6550, KT88, EL84, 12AU7, 12AT7, 6922, 6H30, 300B, 6V6, 6SN7 

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12th October 2011, 08:27 PM   #1
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Default Anode Follower Article

Hi,

I have used anode "follower" circuits from time to time as virtual earth amps/buffers etc and think they are a great tool.

I found this article about them: http://www.aikenamps.com/anode.pdf, and for the life of me I cannot understand how the circuit in Fig. 9 on the last page could function. With the cathode of the 1st triode grounded, and the grid referenced to a positive voltage, wouldn't it just burn up?

I think I've got a grasp on how anode followers work, what I'm confused about is how those two amplifiers could be DC coupled like that.

I'm hoping someone could educate me on what I'm missing here, as this specific circuit would do exactly what I need for an upcoming project (assuming it works).

Thanks
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th October 2011, 08:35 PM   #2
kevinkr is offline kevinkr  United States
diyAudio Moderator
 
kevinkr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Boston, Massachusetts
Blog Entries: 6
If you are referring to figure 8 there is a connection clearly marked "B-" in that schematic, so there are provisions for negative grid bias in the circuit design. I think it would be relatively difficult to get it to work, but I suspect the use of a fairly large plate load resistor would prevent the triode from drawing enough current to self destruct if it was driven into saturation. Or perhaps it is just drawn wrong..
__________________
www.kta-hifi.net
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th October 2011, 08:37 PM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
ruffrecords's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Holt, Norfolk
Yes, I think you are right. Either there needs to be a blocking capacitor in the feedback path or a bypassed cathode resistor for the first triode.

Cheers

Ian
__________________
Ian
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th October 2011, 08:42 PM   #4
kevinkr is offline kevinkr  United States
diyAudio Moderator
 
kevinkr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Boston, Massachusetts
Blog Entries: 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruffrecords View Post
Yes, I think you are right. Either there needs to be a blocking capacitor in the feedback path or a bypassed cathode resistor for the first triode.

Cheers

Ian
It's supposed to be a DC design, but there looks like something wrong with the schematic.. Looks odd to me too..
__________________
www.kta-hifi.net
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th October 2011, 08:44 PM   #5
kevinkr is offline kevinkr  United States
diyAudio Moderator
 
kevinkr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Boston, Massachusetts
Blog Entries: 6
Why not just use a CF running off of a bipolar supply driven by a diff stage? (The circuit shown needs a negative supply anyway?)
__________________
www.kta-hifi.net
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th October 2011, 11:43 PM   #6
diyAudio Member
 
smoking-amp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Hickory, NC
Figure 9 looks like it could use a VR tube in series with the cathode of the 2nd tube to lower the output voltage and give the 1st tube some operating headroom.
__________________
Ohms Law V = I R
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th October 2011, 11:53 PM   #7
kevinkr is offline kevinkr  United States
diyAudio Moderator
 
kevinkr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Boston, Massachusetts
Blog Entries: 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by smoking-amp View Post
Figure 9 looks like it could use a VR tube in series with the cathode of the 2nd tube to lower the output voltage and give the 1st tube some operating headroom.
Looking at some of these circuits I'm starting to think that there are problems with a number of them.. I used a very similar circuit to figure 9, but there was an output cap on the follower and the feedback was taken after the cap.. Also cathode bias on the first stage.. Conceptually similar. FWIW with the right tube choice made a great no gain follower for a diff amp in a line stage for example.. (cable driver)
__________________
www.kta-hifi.net
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th October 2011, 11:06 AM   #8
DF96 is offline DF96  England
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Best to regard fig 9 as a skeleton circuit, for the purposes of analysis. A real circuit would need bias, DC blockers etc. Possibly he has taken a BJT circuit and simply substituted valves without thinking?
  Reply With Quote
Old 14th October 2011, 01:46 AM   #9
diyAudio Member
 
Chris Hornbeck's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Little Rock
Thanks for posting this - really takes me back. His phono equalizer with anode follower RIAA feedback around the second stage is still, to my mind, the best that can be done in the single-12AX7-per-channel-phono-EQ sweepstakes. Wasn't it Davey O'Brien who re-designed it with the first stage open loop?

Thanks,
Chris
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Partial feedback (anode grid) with cathode follower swordsman Tubes / Valves 6 9th July 2011 06:29 AM
Anode Follower yagas Tubes / Valves 19 20th November 2010 04:35 PM
Looking for tips on operating points for tubes in anode follower ... Jolojl Tubes / Valves 0 9th April 2009 12:53 PM
cathode capacitance on anode follower Joseph0 Tubes / Valves 27 3rd January 2006 09:29 PM
Question about direct coupling a anode follower into a cathode follower. G Tubes / Valves 45 29th July 2004 06:47 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 01:44 AM.

Page generated in 0.09383 seconds (78.52% PHP - 21.48% MySQL) with 10 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio