Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Tubes / Valves
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Tubes / Valves All about our sweet vacuum tubes :) Threads about Musical Instrument Amps of all kinds should be in the Instruments & Amps forum

diyAudio Sponsor

Search for a tube at thetubestore.com                            Product reviews and more

Audio tubes for any amplifier: from high end home audio to classic guitar amps.

Quick links by tube type: 12AX7, EL34, 6L6, KT66, 6550, KT88, EL84, 12AU7, 12AT7, 6922, 6H30, 300B, 6V6, 6SN7 

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 29th September 2011, 05:30 PM   #1
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Default What's this in old Fender amps?

I've been seeing this configuration in some schematics and never payed attention, but now I wanted to know what does that 12ax7 do before the phase splitter.

http://ampwares.com/schematics/bandmaster_6g7.pdf
  Reply With Quote
Old 29th September 2011, 05:49 PM   #2
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Portland,Oregon
Blog Entries: 4
Send a message via AIM to DigitalJunkie
I'm not a Guitar amp guru,like some here..Buut.. It's an oscillator for the Vibrato function.
  Reply With Quote
Old 29th September 2011, 08:37 PM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ball Ground, GA
It is a "vibrato" circuit that was used before the availability of LDRs. It takes two 12AX7s to operate. Basically, one 12AX7 section is the LF tremolo oscillator. It feeds a common phase splitter to develop two equal, but out of phase LF tremolo oscillator signals. These two signals are then sent to the two 12AX7 sections (one tube) that you are questioning. This tube is where the tremolo action happens. But also mixed into the signal driving this tube are the audio signals that are to have the vibrato effect impressed upon them. But notice, the audio is applied through frequency sensitive networks: the LF signals are applied to one section, while the HF signals to the other. At the plates of these two sections (right before the power amp phase inverter section) the signals of these two sections are combined. The two audio signals are combined back into one full frequency signal, but now have been modulated by the LF tremolo signal also applied to the two sections: Since the LF tremolo signals are out of phase, each section of the second tube is alternatingly boosted or reduced in gain to give the semi vibrato effect, but also since they are out of phase, the actual LF tremolo signal cancels out at the mixed signal, so that only the vibrato modulated audio signal remains.

With a LDR design, all signals are equally boosted or cut at the same time producing a true tremolo effect, so the early approach Fender used was quite unique.

I hope this helps!

Dave

Last edited by dcgillespie; 29th September 2011 at 08:40 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 29th September 2011, 10:02 PM   #4
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
It realley helped me! Thanks, really! I will sleep well tonight! With the avaibility of LDR's circuits became cheaper, also... I just have to try each tremolo version someday!
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fender amp mitchelr Solid State 0 13th July 2010 08:41 AM
Fender help Docc25 Instruments and Amps 1 11th July 2006 01:16 PM
Fender Adjustments JDeV Tubes / Valves 6 7th April 2006 08:17 PM
Fender Twin tenderland Tubes / Valves 5 9th December 2004 02:41 PM
Another Fender on the bench. Netlist Tubes / Valves 3 6th March 2004 08:03 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 01:41 AM.

Page generated in 0.06931 seconds (73.31% PHP - 26.69% MySQL) with 10 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio