Heater power supply help

BillyF · 27th August 2003, 08:15 AM

I need some help from you guys who are more familiar into DIY stuffs.
My pre-amp PS has gone wild. The pre-amp tubes 2x6922 were very bright and when I did the measurement, heater supply went up to 12V. I did some measurement on components and found this regulator GL317 shorted. I replaced with LM317 and tuned the desired voltage 6.3V for the filament but, it can only run for less than a minute then it shut-off. The regulator turns very hot when loaded with the tubes.

My x'former secondary output 10.3Vac to the bridge rectifier 100V/6A and measured 12.96Vdc after filtering section and serves to be my input to LM317.

Any idea how can I fix this???

Thanks a lot for your halp.

TG · 27th August 2003, 10:00 AM

Throw away the regulator, connect tube filaments in series and heat 'em with your 12.96 V...

6922's filament current is 0.3 A.
You have now (12.96-6.3)*0.3*2 = 4 W dissipation on LM317.
If there's no heatsink, LM will die very soon...

Original Burnedfingers · 27th August 2003, 12:41 PM

I don't know the current limits of the LM317 without looking it up. It most certainly is figured with a proper heatsink. Could it be the GL317 was a heftier part? If so cross reference the GL317 to a part of equal quality.

Joe

JOE DIRT® · 27th August 2003, 12:50 PM

The Lm 317 is rated for 1.5 amps with a modest heatsink

I would measure what each heater is drawing there could be a chance you have a bad tube

also is there a current limiting resistor going to each heater>???...if so that could be the culprit

DIRT®

Brett · 27th August 2003, 01:56 PM

With 6.3V across the filaments and about 2.5V across the 317, the simple solution is to make a pi filter by adding a series resistor in the PS and a second filter cap to bring the voltage at the input to the 317 to about 9V. Calc's out to 6.6R and about 10W.

I don't like series stringing tubes, esp when the voltage is a bit high. You can never tell exactly how they will line up in terms of voltage across each individual filament, so one may end up > 6.7V and shorten it's life.

Heatsink the 317 really well.

BillyF · 27th August 2003, 02:26 PM

The LM317 has a trim pot connected to the common pin to (B-). This where I tune the ouptut voltage to 6.3V and a 150ohms resistor connected between commom to ouput pins.
It will only runs hot if the load is present. I did tried to load only 1 tube since my pre has 2 6922 tubes, but still hot. The regulator shuts-off after reaching a certain temp.

how????

janneman · 27th August 2003, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JOE DIRT®
The Lm 317 is rated for 1.5 amps with a modest heatsink

I would measure what each heater is drawing there could be a chance you have a bad tube

also is there a current limiting resistor going to each heater>???...if so that could be the culprit

DIRT®

Exactly. He had a system that worked, no it doesn't anymore, blows the reg. Logically, that points to a (partially) shorted heater wire (or series R, if there is one). So, advise on a complete redesign is not what he needs, because it wouldn't work anyway without getting rid of the cause.

jan Didden

fdegrove · 27th August 2003, 10:58 PM

Hi,

Quote:

I don't like series stringing tubes, esp when the voltage is a bit high.

Me neither...unless we're talking a single block using //ed valves you still have a real risk of signal breakthrough between cathode and heater.

Anyone ever capcoupled a heater supply and listened to it?

Powersupplies?

Cheers,

BillyF · 28th August 2003, 10:58 AM

Thanks guys for all your suggestions. But, I am a bit lost where to start. Roughly, I may need ~8Vdc without the load. It will be just nice maybe for 6.3V.
What is the best step now? Bring down the input voltage to ~9Vdc?
Any other design I can DIY with my existing 10.33Vac for the filament?
thanks again...
Billy

27th August 2003, 08:15 AM	#1
BillyF diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Singapore	Heater power supply help I need some help from you guys who are more familiar into DIY stuffs. My pre-amp PS has gone wild. The pre-amp tubes 2x6922 were very bright and when I did the measurement, heater supply went up to 12V. I did some measurement on components and found this regulator GL317 shorted. I replaced with LM317 and tuned the desired voltage 6.3V for the filament but, it can only run for less than a minute then it shut-off. The regulator turns very hot when loaded with the tubes. My x'former secondary output 10.3Vac to the bridge rectifier 100V/6A and measured 12.96Vdc after filtering section and serves to be my input to LM317. Any idea how can I fix this??? Thanks a lot for your halp.

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27th August 2003, 10:00 AM	#2
TG diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kiev, Ukraine	Throw away the regulator, connect tube filaments in series and heat 'em with your 12.96 V... 6922's filament current is 0.3 A. You have now (12.96-6.3)0.32 = 4 W dissipation on LM317. If there's no heatsink, LM will die very soon...

27th August 2003, 12:41 PM	#3
Original Burnedfingers diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002	I don't know the current limits of the LM317 without looking it up. It most certainly is figured with a proper heatsink. Could it be the GL317 was a heftier part? If so cross reference the GL317 to a part of equal quality. Joe

27th August 2003, 12:50 PM	#4
JOE DIRT® diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, ON	The Lm 317 is rated for 1.5 amps with a modest heatsink I would measure what each heater is drawing there could be a chance you have a bad tube also is there a current limiting resistor going to each heater>???...if so that could be the culprit DIRT®

27th August 2003, 01:56 PM	#5
Brett diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002	With 6.3V across the filaments and about 2.5V across the 317, the simple solution is to make a pi filter by adding a series resistor in the PS and a second filter cap to bring the voltage at the input to the 317 to about 9V. Calc's out to 6.6R and about 10W. I don't like series stringing tubes, esp when the voltage is a bit high. You can never tell exactly how they will line up in terms of voltage across each individual filament, so one may end up > 6.7V and shorten it's life. Heatsink the 317 really well.

27th August 2003, 02:26 PM	#6
BillyF diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Singapore	The LM317 has a trim pot connected to the common pin to (B-). This where I tune the ouptut voltage to 6.3V and a 150ohms resistor connected between commom to ouput pins. It will only runs hot if the load is present. I did tried to load only 1 tube since my pre has 2 6922 tubes, but still hot. The regulator shuts-off after reaching a certain temp. how????

28th August 2003, 10:58 AM	#9
BillyF diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Singapore	Thanks guys for all your suggestions. But, I am a bit lost where to start. Roughly, I may need ~8Vdc without the load. It will be just nice maybe for 6.3V. What is the best step now? Bring down the input voltage to ~9Vdc? Any other design I can DIY with my existing 10.33Vac for the filament? thanks again... Billy

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