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Old 29th May 2011, 10:18 PM   #1
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Default DC Imbalance with the LTP

Hi Group:
I've just spent the last few days searching the forum for some answers on this subject but never really found a concrete answer.
I'm using a 12AT7 for the phase inverter with a simple DN2545 CCS set for 8mA.
I have near perfect AC balance but the DC balance is off by 6-8 volts.
I'm capacitor coupled to the output stage (KT-88's) so the DC shouldn't matter. The amp already has pretty low THD of .18% @ 55 watts into 8 ohm. I've seen examples of using a pot in the cathode of one tube to adjust the DC balance BUT......

Why worry about the DC balance if the AC balance is near perfect??
I've also read that using a cascode CCS may bring them into DC balance
but my question is why bother if the AC balance is correct???
Any and all opinions appreciated.

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Old 29th May 2011, 10:21 PM   #2
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A cascode CCS won't get you any significant improvement in DC balance- that's a function of section to section matching. 6-8V is pretty good.

And you are absolutely right- it matters not a bit.
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Old 29th May 2011, 10:30 PM   #3
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Thanks SY That's what I wanted to hear.

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Old 30th May 2011, 06:24 AM   #4
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Cascode CCSs help break up stray capacitance to ground that will compromise the "CCS-ness" at high frequencies.
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Old 30th May 2011, 06:45 AM   #5
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Thanks Miles.
I'll be running some test at 10 - 20 Khz this week. BTW any advantage to have some small R's between the cathodes and the CCS junction?? ARC seems to do this but PSPICE shows no difference in distortion or balance

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Old 30th May 2011, 09:03 AM   #6
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It seems that your 12AT7 has dissimilar halves. With similar halves and CCS the dc balance should also be perfect.

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The amp already has pretty low THD of .18% @ 55 watts into 8 ohm.
This is obviously with global NFB ? If so, then it does not tell much about the LTP and its balance. More important is to know what is the distortion from both outputs of the LTP with max. required output level and with real load resistance (Rg of output tubes).

I have observed in practice that it is not essential to get fully equal output levels from LTP. Instead it is essential to get fully equal output levels from the output tubes. Therefore I prefer adjustable output levels from the LTP. Then you can also use not so well matched output tubes.
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Cascode CCSs help break up stray capacitance to ground that will compromise the "CCS-ness" at high frequencies.
The fortunate thing is that it's at the cathode, which is a low impedance node. So one needn't get too fancy with the CCS- even a simple 1 transistor circuit will give essentially perfect balance even with wildly mismatched tubes.
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Sy, I would like to clarify my understanding(or lack of); in general,in a LTP,the DC balance does affect the PSRR or not ?
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Why would it? It's the AC component from the power supply that you care about.

edit: The quality of the CCS will affect common mode rejection and hence power supply rejection. But in practice, the signal levels are high and even a simple CCS will get you at least 40dB of rejection.
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Thank you Sy, It is just that I was remembering a section in MJ about CMRR of different topologies and that if the valves were not matched in a diff. pair then CMRR would be degraded.
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