Please vote for one of the schematics.

rvrazvan · 15th May 2011, 04:41 PM

I have to chose from two PSU schematics for a 6c33 set amp
One is "old school" but it requires alot of diffrent voltages and the other one uses just 180V.
Tommorow i have to place the order for the power transformer so please vote

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singa · 16th May 2011, 03:24 AM

Hi,For less headaches it would make sense to go for the 180V schematic.
That being said a tube rectifier circuit would be sonically better.

costis_n · 16th May 2011, 07:29 AM

in schematic to the right, the two bias voltages interact with each other! Also, zeners are noisy.

aardvarkash10 · 16th May 2011, 08:42 AM

zeners can be bypassed. There is a lot to be said for the lower cost of the single winding and the mosfet regulator can't hurt either. Since the bias circuit is a voltage only (well in practicality) I don't see any issue with running them both from the one supply - prepared to be corrected though

rvrazvan · 16th May 2011, 10:51 AM

The bias voltage in the second schematic is not concerning me. I can change that part. But i'm worried about the overall performance of the circuit compared to a more classical design like the one on the left. But using a single winding is....cheap.

Jeb-D. · 04:07 PM

If you do use the schematic to the right, I recomend you add a cap from each of the bias pot wipers to ground. It will filter out zener noise and also help ensure that that drivers load doesn't vary with bias setting of the output stage.

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Since the bias circuit is a voltage only (well in practicality) I don't see any issue with running them both from the one supply

Agreed. In fact, that's pretty much how all fixed bias amps (that aren't mono-blocks) are. He may have a slight AC interaction between the two as-is, but if he adds the caps to the wipers it should be diminished.

BigE · 16th May 2011, 03:53 PM

The one on the left.

I prefer the independent diode bridges.

kevinkr · 16th May 2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigE

The one on the left.

I prefer the independent diode bridges.

Me too..

tomchr · 16th May 2011, 06:41 PM

Due to the use of a voltage doubler, you'll have a harder time controlling voltage ripple in the supply on the right. With a voltage doubler you get 2x the ripple at half the frequency compared with "straight" rectification as in the schematic on the left.

I do like the simplicity of the schematic on the right, though. And with the zener regulators, any ripple should be heavily attenuated. Put a decent cap - say 10 uF - across the zener stack for the bias supply, though. The B+ zener stack is already filtered.

~Tom

smoking-amp · 16th May 2011, 08:26 PM

For the schematic on the right, the caps coming off the 180V xfmr depend on equal + and - currents thru them to avoid building up a permanent charge voltage. The load does not look particularly symmetrical versus AC polarity. You might want to simulate this with estimated loading to see what happens.

16th May 2011, 08:42 AM	#4
aardvarkash10 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Auckland, NZ	zeners can be bypassed. There is a lot to be said for the lower cost of the single winding and the mosfet regulator can't hurt either. Since the bias circuit is a voltage only (well in practicality) I don't see any issue with running them both from the one supply - prepared to be corrected though __________________ Yes, conservatism thrives on low intelligence and poor information. But the liberals in politics... continue to back off, yielding to the supremacy of the stupid. It's turkeys all the way down. - George Monbiot, guardian.co.uk, 6 Feb 2012

16th May 2011, 08:26 PM	#10
smoking-amp diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hickory, NC	For the schematic on the right, the caps coming off the 180V xfmr depend on equal + and - currents thru them to avoid building up a permanent charge voltage. The load does not look particularly symmetrical versus AC polarity. You might want to simulate this with estimated loading to see what happens. __________________ Ohms Law V = I R

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16th May 2011, 03:24 AM	#2
singa diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: near	Hi,For less headaches it would make sense to go for the 180V schematic. That being said a tube rectifier circuit would be sonically better.

16th May 2011, 07:29 AM	#3
costis_n Tinkerer diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2008	in schematic to the right, the two bias voltages interact with each other! Also, zeners are noisy.

16th May 2011, 10:51 AM	#5
rvrazvan diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2010	The bias voltage in the second schematic is not concerning me. I can change that part. But i'm worried about the overall performance of the circuit compared to a more classical design like the one on the left. But using a single winding is....cheap.

16th May 2011, 03:53 PM	#7
BigE diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto	The one on the left. I prefer the independent diode bridges.

16th May 2011, 06:41 PM	#9
tomchr diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Greater Seattle Area	Due to the use of a voltage doubler, you'll have a harder time controlling voltage ripple in the supply on the right. With a voltage doubler you get 2x the ripple at half the frequency compared with "straight" rectification as in the schematic on the left. I do like the simplicity of the schematic on the right, though. And with the zener regulators, any ripple should be heavily attenuated. Put a decent cap - say 10 uF - across the zener stack for the bias supply, though. The B+ zener stack is already filtered. ~Tom

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