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Old 5th May 2011, 09:02 AM   #1
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I work at a PP 19BG6GT amplifier and looks a little on phase splitter. I have some 6N7 which I'll use for this because they are quite strong.
Input stage is based on the 6J5 tube

The diagram is here (hand drawn):



I'm slightly in doubt about voltage division (20:1), it is well understood.

I do not know whether I will use a fixed or self-biasing yet.

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Old 5th May 2011, 10:03 AM   #2
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That type of phase splitter is not self-adjusting. It is simply an attenuator followed by an inverting amplifier, so the two must match. There are better phase splitters.
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Old 5th May 2011, 12:13 PM   #3
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Classic chematic of using 6N7 as phase splitter: ''Исток2''. Радиолампы - почтой. Параметры и характеристики 6Н7С
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Old 5th May 2011, 03:07 PM   #4
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Personally, I dont like that type phase-splitter....

Ive nearly always used a Split-Load or Concertina type, and providing you keep each output at a high impedance and follow a few simple rules, they work faultlessly....

Nice, Simple, reliable they are, but the downside is no gain out of them--Easily fixed though, Just add another bottle!....
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Old 5th May 2011, 07:37 PM   #5
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I work at a PP 19BG6GT amplifier and looks a little on phase splitter.
YUCK! Click the image to open in full size.

That's just about the worst phase splitter: it's strictly in the "quick 'n' dirty" category. Useless for anything where you're the least bit concerned with sonic quality. It requires o'scoping to put it in balance, but it won't stay in balance, and will require periodic realignment: not user friendly. Like all paraphase splitters, it won't have harmonic balance between phases.

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I'm slightly in doubt about voltage division (20:1), it is well understood.
More than "slightly", it would seem. With the resistors shown, your voltage division is 21 : 1, not 20 : 1. Getting Av= 21 from tubes with u= 35 is pushing it.

You'd be much better off using the 6N7 as an LTP inverter with an active tail load. That will be significantly better: better phase-to-phase balance, and equal distortion between phases. These paraphase type splitters all have the problem of uneven distortion between phases, and that means more distortion at the output. Might help with guitar amp tone (mostly distortion) but it's not so swell for music reproduction. The only downside to the LTP is losing half the gain per phase. Since you already have a pre ahead of the splitter, this shouldn't pose much of a problem.

A cathodyne would also be a better choice, since you have a 6J5 pre, you could use one half of the 6N7 as another pre gain stage, and the second half as the cathodyne. That might make up for the gain you'd lose from a cathodyne and its less-than-unity phase-to-phase gain. At least the cathodyne has Ac phase and distortion balance so long as the load doesn't start pulling grid current.

Since it looks like you intend to drive the finals from the splitter with R-C coupling to the finals, you definitely want cathode bias for the finals. R-C coupling and fixed bias do not play well together. Any overdrive at the finals that turns on the GK parasitic diode will put a negative charge on the coupling capacitors. While that excess bias leaks off, the finals will operate more towards cutoff, and distort more than they should. Even if you don't hear the actual clip, you will notice the sonic degradation that follows. Cathode bias helps mitigate that effect.
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Old 6th May 2011, 10:44 AM   #6
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OK OK

I got the point. The idea is killed.

Miles Power: I'll take a look at the LTP, and I will come back. Do you have a website you would recommend.


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Old 6th May 2011, 11:19 AM   #7
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http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/driver02.htm

I like this one. A bit of work needed to fit your 6N7.

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Do you have a website you would recommend.
John Broskie's Guide to Tube Circuit Analysis & Design
Tons of no nonsense and well readable info.
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.... I'll take a look at the LTP, and I will come back. Do you have a website you would recommend.
This covers the design of an LTP in enough detail and is easy to read
http://www.freewebs.com/valvewizard/acltp.html

In the above if you replace Rt (the tail resistor) with a constant-current sink the balance will be nearly perfect. A tube purist would use a CCS made from a pentode others would use a solid state device. But a simple resistor if it is big enough is pretty good.

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Old 6th May 2011, 07:32 PM   #10
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Here's the go-to source for LTP phase splitters by O. H. Schmitt himself:

Cathode Phase Inversion Pt. I

Cathode Phase Inversion Pt II
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