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REN904 for linestage?
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Old 22nd February 2011, 02:08 PM   #1
bequerel is offline bequerel  Norway
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Default REN904 for linestage?

REN904 (or similar) is an audio triode specifically made for transformer coupling. Would it be a good candidate for a linestage with a 30k:500 line output transformer, you think? The gain is approx 30x.

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Va 250
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Old 22nd February 2011, 02:42 PM   #2
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REN904 for linestage?
Plate resistance is pretty high for use with full audio bandwidth transformers, building a 30K transformer that is reasonably flat over a range of just 20Hz - 20kHz would be very difficult.

Tubes with an rp half that of the REN904 or less would be much easier to source a transformer for.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 03:08 PM   #3
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Tubes with an rp half that of the REN904 or less would be much easier to source a transformer for.[/QUOTE]

In my experience tubes with an Rp around 6-7k (6SN7 for instance) are about the limit with inductive coupling. Plate chokes and dedicated 1:1 transformers will do, but everything else becomes problematic. The combination of high Rp and winding capacitance will result in loss of treble and/or early HF phase shift.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 03:34 PM   #4
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Bartolucci has a 30k/1200 transformer. Have look at type F here.
Data seems to be good.

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Old 22nd February 2011, 04:26 PM   #5
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Bequerel,

Data of this transformer seems to be good, but in what regard?
It has some 240H of inductance, needed for bass response.
Frequency response is indicated to be -3 dB at 10 Hz.
But the problem, without doubt, will be "at the other side" of the spectrum.
Don't expect audio treble with a 12k Rp tube; we can't cheat nature.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 04:33 PM   #6
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Bequerel,

... we can't cheat nature.
No, you are sure right about that.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 05:40 PM   #7
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Hi!

Agree to the comments above. In addition:

To my taste the tube would not have enough headroom for linestage duty, especially if the volume control would be placed at the output.

Do you really need that much gain in a linestage?

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Old 23rd February 2011, 07:39 AM   #8
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Hi!

Agree to the comments above. In addition:
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Do you really need that much gain in a linestage?

Thomas
With the Bartolucci transformer the gain would have been approx. 6.
But I agree, you usually do not need that much gain either.
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