Bypass the tone control

off1 · 10th November 2010, 07:41 AM

Please guys, bear with me as I'm still learning (a lot, I must say).

In the following circuit:
Guitar Preamplifier Schematic - All Tube - KBapps.com

I want to bypass (actually completely remove) the tone control that sits in between the halves of tube No.2. If I connect pins 1 and 7 directly, do I need to add any resistor/capacitor network to compensate for the removal of the tone control?

Thanks in advance!

Miniwatt · 10th November 2010, 07:57 AM

You'll get more gain, and you'll need a coupling capacitor

off1 · 10th November 2010, 01:36 PM

That's what I thought. What do you suggest to level down the output?

TheGimp · 10th November 2010, 02:44 PM

You have a loss of nearly 20:1 through the tonestack.

There is plenty of gain through the amp as indicated by the resistor divider on the output (22K to 1K pot).

I would remove the the gain stage driving the tonestack, remove the tonestack, and connect the output of the second gain stage to the output stage.

Since there is no feedback you can get away with just connecting the 0.022uF cap that went to the treble wiper to the point that would connect to pin 2 grid of the third tube. I would not mess with the RC netword from gain stage 2.

If gain is now insufficient (not likely with two gain adjustment pots) you can decrease the 22K resistor in the output to the 1K pot to increase output drive.

Miniwatt · 10th November 2010, 02:54 PM

I was going to say "try it like that first", but there's already plenty of gain in that thing

A voltage divider would do the trick, probably best with a small cap in parallel, like the one in front of the third triode, the 470K/470pF-100K arrangement. Perhaps try it with a pot first.

PS I'm not an expert, okay?

Good luck!

off1 · 10th November 2010, 05:05 PM

Like this?

BEFORE - With tone control

AFTER - Without tone control

off1 · 13th November 2010, 02:55 PM

anyone?

rman · 09:45 PM

I think the gimp meant like this.

Only use one of the coupling caps. (forgot to delete one.)

rman · 13th November 2010, 09:49 PM

Now my attachment dissapeared, here it is again, and corrected

off1 · 13th November 2010, 10:30 PM

you are the rman!!! thanks!

10th November 2010, 07:41 AM	#1
off1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Alpine, UT	Bypass the tone control Please guys, bear with me as I'm still learning (a lot, I must say). In the following circuit: Guitar Preamplifier Schematic - All Tube - KBapps.com I want to bypass (actually completely remove) the tone control that sits in between the halves of tube No.2. If I connect pins 1 and 7 directly, do I need to add any resistor/capacitor network to compensate for the removal of the tone control? Thanks in advance!

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10th November 2010, 07:57 AM	#2
Miniwatt diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Den Haag	You'll get more gain, and you'll need a coupling capacitor

10th November 2010, 01:36 PM	#3
off1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Alpine, UT	That's what I thought. What do you suggest to level down the output?

10th November 2010, 02:44 PM	#4
TheGimp diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Johnson City, TN	You have a loss of nearly 20:1 through the tonestack. There is plenty of gain through the amp as indicated by the resistor divider on the output (22K to 1K pot). I would remove the the gain stage driving the tonestack, remove the tonestack, and connect the output of the second gain stage to the output stage. Since there is no feedback you can get away with just connecting the 0.022uF cap that went to the treble wiper to the point that would connect to pin 2 grid of the third tube. I would not mess with the RC netword from gain stage 2. If gain is now insufficient (not likely with two gain adjustment pots) you can decrease the 22K resistor in the output to the 1K pot to increase output drive.

10th November 2010, 02:54 PM	#5
Miniwatt diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Den Haag	I was going to say "try it like that first", but there's already plenty of gain in that thing A voltage divider would do the trick, probably best with a small cap in parallel, like the one in front of the third triode, the 470K/470pF-100K arrangement. Perhaps try it with a pot first. PS I'm not an expert, okay? Good luck!

10th November 2010, 05:05 PM	#6
off1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Alpine, UT	Like this? BEFORE - With tone control AFTER - Without tone control

13th November 2010, 02:55 PM	#7
off1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Alpine, UT	anyone?

13th November 2010, 10:30 PM	#10
off1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Alpine, UT	you are the rman!!! thanks!