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Old 28th April 2010, 09:06 AM   #1
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I would like to build 5687 tube simple pre amp as in diyparadise. Could I pump out the B+ to 500V or more (e.g. around 600V, as coupling caps limit at 630 V).

If i use 500-600 V as B+, what value, type and wattage of suggested Rp and Rk? What about the filament, should it be floating (I use DC), or should be connected to 0/GND, e.g. to pin 8?

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Old 28th April 2010, 10:49 AM   #2
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Old 28th April 2010, 03:38 PM   #3
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I agree with Arnulf, why that high of a B+?
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Old 28th April 2010, 04:46 PM   #4
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The 5687 works very nicely with 100V - 200V on the plate, and probably would be rather unhappy at 500 - 600V as it is not really designed for operation at such high voltages. (Maximum rated is 330V)

Pre-amplifiers typically only need to deliver a few volts of signal to the power amplifier so these kinds of voltage levels are not required in this application.

Note that a single tube with a pair of plate to line transformers could make a very nice, simple stereo line stage.
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Old 30th April 2010, 02:02 PM   #5
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I would like to build 5687 tube simple pre amp as in diyparadise. Could I pump out the B+ to 500V or more (e.g. around 600V, as coupling caps limit at 630 V).

If i use 500-600 V as B+, what value, type and wattage of suggested Rp and Rk? What about the filament, should it be floating (I use DC), or should be connected to 0/GND, e.g. to pin 8?

Thanks,

Ervin L
5687 in mu follower for pre amp, sound very good. and top voltage will be 400-450V (actually 200v for each one). low voltage high current always sound better than high voltage with less current in tube circute no matter for power amp or pre amp
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i am sorry, but someone who asks this question, should not consider buiding a tube (pre) amp. but he should consider to study first and then start building. looks like: how i can make a tank run 350km/h?
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low voltage high current always sound better than high voltage with less current in tube circute no matter for power amp or pre amp
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Massive incorrect generalization
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Old 1st May 2010, 03:42 PM   #8
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I agree with Arnulf, why that high of a B+?

Maybe the goal is something crazy like to load the tube with 10X its internal resistance.

at 20ma the Rp is about 2K and 20ma through a 20K plate resistor will get rid of 400V of that really quickly :-)

I came up with 500VB+
20K load resistor
200 ohm cathode resistor
gives 120V P-K -3.8V bias and 18ma of current.

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Old 2nd May 2010, 12:35 PM   #9
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Maybe the goal is something crazy like to load the tube with 10X its internal resistance.
One can do that with a CCS and get better result with lower voltage so the question to OP remains: why would he want to do something as silly as that ? It is difficult to help when we don';t understand the motivation behind such weird design goal.
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Massive incorrect generalization
try 12AX7 with 1 ma compare to WE437A in 30 ma for a same gain pre amp you will have the answer, or same tube 801' sound in 1 kv with only 10ma compare to 220 v with 90 ma the difference even bigger
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