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Old 24th December 2009, 02:04 AM   #1
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Default Help me identify these Caps! (hamfest find)

Yeah, I'm guilty. I go to the Hamfest in Shelby NC every year and really don't know what I'm looking at half the time, but I end up wheeling home a milk crate full of treasures just the same.

These caps have been in the basement for at least 4 years in a grocery bag. I think I have about ten altogether. They all have a piece of styrofoam taped to the screw side(positive side?).

I thought I could use them if they are close to 2.2uf but I can't figure out who makes them or the coding for that matter. I'm hoping they are PIO but more likely are full of PCBs. They have no name or logo.

Coding reads: 84411
612G
47404L15
5910-
727-2268

Anybody got an idea?
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Old 24th December 2009, 02:34 AM   #2
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Here's some info, the 5910 is the Federal Stock Class number for capacitors with hazardous materials. Did you mention PCBs? They are (were) probably military. Still searching for more info.

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Old 24th December 2009, 03:21 AM   #3
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84411 is the manufactures code. In this case it is TRW capacitor division. And I would guess the value to be .47 uFD (474=47 and 4 zeros)
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Old 24th December 2009, 04:03 AM   #4
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5910-727-2268 is the federal stock number. There is something called Fed Log that is a master list of all items in government inventory. I don't have a set of the discs but I think it's possible to access it on line. However that may involve downloading script programs that I don't feature doing.
You also have to pay for it. http://www.defensedata.com/
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Old 25th December 2009, 03:54 AM   #5
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I guess the best thing to do is treat them as .47uf and only use them is low power amps like T-amps since finding the voltage rating may involve additional cash outlay. I probably have a buck in them and there not leaking so I guess i should listen to them and go from there?

Thanks for the help Hollowstate!
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Old 25th December 2009, 04:04 AM   #6
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Maybe the O4L15 is 450v at 15%(L being roman # for 50) which means I could try them in tube amps. (Due to there age I think they would have only come from tube equipment anyway). Is my guess of polarity correct or are they possably non-polar? I would hate to have one pop in my face and have to be scrubbed down by a hazmat team. The screw mount would ground them to the frame I think in some applications, leaving the center pin +?
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Old 25th December 2009, 05:02 AM   #7
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I have a copy of the Federal Logistics Database (FEDLOG) 2002.

That NSN (National Stock Number) appears to no longer be in the version of the database that I have (unless the country of origin is not the USA and I therefore searched for the wrong NSN). The full NSN would actually be 5910-xx-727-2268, where the xx denotes the country of origin, with 00 being USA, I believe. The NIIN is also sometimes used, and is just the NSN with the 4-digit FSC (Federal Supply Class) code prefix omitted, or probably 00-717-2268 in this case (assuming the "00" is correct).

I also searched for the CAGE code, and got this:

Supplier Data Response

CAGE Code: 84411 Status: A Type: A CAO: S0602A ADP: SC1002

Company Name and Address:
AMERICAN SHIZUKI CORP OGALLALA OPNS
301 W O ST

OGALLALA NE 69153-1844
UNITED STATES Telephone: 308-284-3611
FORMERLY TRW INC TRW ELECTRONICS COMPONENTS DIV TRW CAPACITORS
RPLM Code: ASSOC Code: AFFIL Code:
SIZE: D Primary Business: J Type of Business: N Women Owned: N
SIC Codes:


I then had it show me all part numbers for that CAGE code and picked one that was similar, since the one you have (part number 612G47404L15) was not listed. The Characteristics Data screen for part 612G47223W3 is shown below:


Characteristics Data Response for NSN 5910-00-474-2156
Item Name: CAPACITOR,FIXED,PLASTIC DIELECTR

MRC Requirement Statement Clear Text Reply
--------------------------------------------------------------------
NAME ITEM NAME CAPACITOR,FIXED,PLASTIC DIELECTR
AAQL BODY STYLE 26B W/O MTG FACILITIES, AXIAL
TERMINALS
AARG RELIABILITY INDICATOR NOT ESTABLISHED
ABHP OVERALL LENGTH 0.953 INCHES MAXIMUM
ABJT TERMINAL LENGTH 1.625 INCHES MINIMUM
ABKW OVERALL HEIGHT 0.193 INCHES NOMINAL
ABMK OVERALL WIDTH 0.193 INCHES NOMINAL
ABPM BODY DIAMETER 0.193 INCHES NOMINAL
ADAQ BODY LENGTH 0.719 INCHES NOMINAL
AEBZ SCHEMATIC DIAGRAM 3C ELECTRODE(S) GROUNDED TO CASE,
DESIGNATOR W/GND TERMINAL
AFHW INTERNAL ELECTRICAL EXTENDED FOIL
CONNECTION TYPE
CBBL FEATURES PROVIDED HERMETICALLY SEALED CASE
CQBF INSULATION RESISTANCE AT 200.0 MEGOHM-MICROFARADS
MAXIMUM OPERATING TEMP
CQBQ CAPACITANCE VALUE PER 4700.000 PICOFARADS SINGLE
SECTION SECTION
CQJJ NONDERATED OPERATING TEMP -55.0 DEG CELSIUS MINIMUM AND
85.0 DEG CELSIUS MAXIMUM
CQWM NONDERATED CONTINUOUS 300.0 DC SINGLE SECTION
VOLTAGE RATING AND TYPE PER
SECTION
CRTP TOLERANCE RANGE PER SECTION -2.00/2.00 PERCENT SINGLE
SECTION
CWJK CASE MATERIAL METAL
CWPK INSULATION RESISTANCE AT 50000.0 MEGOHM-MICROFARADS
REFERENCE TEMP
CWPM DISSIPATION FACTOR AT 0.5000
REFERENCE TEMP IN PERCENT
CWSS DIELECTRIC MATERIAL PLASTIC POLYETHYLENE
TEREPHTHALATE
FEAT SPECIAL FEATURES QUAL CONT FOR POLARIS
TTQY TERMINAL TYPE AND QUANTITY 2 UNINSULATED WIRE LEAD


Then I looked at a part number that had an Lxx suffix, which I thought might be closer to what you have (I don't know if it really is or not). So here's the data for part number 61310502L16:


Characteristics Data Response for NSN 5910-00-831-0350
Item Name: CAPACITOR,FIXED,PLASTIC DIELECTR

MRC Requirement Statement Clear Text Reply
--------------------------------------------------------------------
NAME ITEM NAME CAPACITOR,FIXED,PLASTIC DIELECTR
AAQL BODY STYLE 26B W/O MTG FACILITIES, AXIAL
TERMINALS
AARG RELIABILITY INDICATOR NOT ESTABLISHED
ABHP OVERALL LENGTH 1.718 INCHES NOMINAL
ABJT TERMINAL LENGTH 1.625 INCHES MINIMUM
ABKW OVERALL HEIGHT 0.580 INCHES NOMINAL
ABMK OVERALL WIDTH 0.580 INCHES NOMINAL
ABPM BODY DIAMETER 0.560 INCHES NOMINAL
ADAQ BODY LENGTH 1.594 INCHES NOMINAL
AEBT TERMINAL DIAMETER 0.032 INCHES NOMINAL
AEBZ SCHEMATIC DIAGRAM 1C NO COMMON OR GROUNDED
DESIGNATOR ELECTRODE(S)
AFHW INTERNAL ELECTRICAL EXTENDED FOIL
CONNECTION TYPE
CBBL FEATURES PROVIDED HERMETICALLY SEALED CASE
CQBQ CAPACITANCE VALUE PER 1.000 MICROFARADS SINGLE SECTION
SECTION
CQJJ NONDERATED OPERATING TEMP -55.0 DEG CELSIUS MINIMUM AND
85.0 DEG CELSIUS MAXIMUM
CQWM NONDERATED CONTINUOUS 200.0 DC SINGLE SECTION
VOLTAGE RATING AND TYPE PER
SECTION
CRTP TOLERANCE RANGE PER SECTION -20.00/20.00 PERCENT SINGLE
SECTION
CWJK CASE MATERIAL METAL
CWPM DISSIPATION FACTOR AT 1.0000
REFERENCE TEMP IN PERCENT
CWSG TERMINAL SURFACE TREATMENT SOLDER
CWSS DIELECTRIC MATERIAL PLASTIC POLYETHYLENE
TEREPHTHALATE
CWSZ CASE INSULATION MATERIAL PLASTIC
TTQY TERMINAL TYPE AND QUANTITY 2 UNINSULATED WIRE LEAD


And, for possible comparison or pattern discernment, here's the characteristics data for part number 629G1059R5L13:


Characteristics Data Response for NSN 5910-00-839-9330
Item Name: CAPACITOR,FIXED,PLASTIC DIELECTR

MRC Requirement Statement Clear Text Reply
--------------------------------------------------------------------
NAME ITEM NAME CAPACITOR,FIXED,PLASTIC DIELECTR
AAQL BODY STYLE 27B W/MTG BRACKET, AXIAL
TERMINALS
AARG RELIABILITY INDICATOR NOT ESTABLISHED
ABHP OVERALL LENGTH 1.885 INCHES MAXIMUM
ABKW OVERALL HEIGHT 0.560 INCHES NOMINAL
ABMK OVERALL WIDTH 0.560 INCHES NOMINAL
ABPM BODY DIAMETER 0.560 INCHES NOMINAL
ADAQ BODY LENGTH 1.469 INCHES NOMINAL
AEBZ SCHEMATIC DIAGRAM 1C NO COMMON OR GROUNDED
DESIGNATOR ELECTRODE(S)
CBBL FEATURES PROVIDED HERMETICALLY SEALED CASE
CQBF INSULATION RESISTANCE AT 100.0 MEGOHM-MICROFARADS
MAXIMUM OPERATING TEMP
CQBQ CAPACITANCE VALUE PER 1.000 MICROFARADS SINGLE SECTION
SECTION
CQJJ NONDERATED OPERATING TEMP -55.0 DEG CELSIUS MINIMUM AND
85.0 DEG CELSIUS MAXIMUM
CQWM NONDERATED CONTINUOUS 50.0 DC SINGLE SECTION
VOLTAGE RATING AND TYPE PER
SECTION
CRTP TOLERANCE RANGE PER SECTION -10.00/10.00 PERCENT SINGLE
SECTION
CWJK CASE MATERIAL METAL
CWPK INSULATION RESISTANCE AT 40000.0 MEGOHM-MICROFARADS
REFERENCE TEMP
CWSS DIELECTRIC MATERIAL PLASTIC POLYETHYLENE
TEREPHTHALATE
CWSZ CASE INSULATION MATERIAL PLASTIC
TTQY TERMINAL TYPE AND QUANTITY 2 UNINSULATED WIRE LEAD


Good luck!

- Tom

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Old 25th December 2009, 02:44 PM   #8
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Tom,
This info is amazing!

The closest measurement is the center choice
(part number 61310502L16).The only measurement that is off is the body height lying on its' side (diameter). If you are able to check by measurement, my cap comes out to:

1.62 in.- overall length (minus terminal wires, but including threaded head)
.78 in.- body height, (diameter)
1.377 in. - body length (just the cylinder minus threaded head)

If size is a funtion of increased uF then maybe I do have a 1+ uF cap here.
If the weather ever gets better, I will take these to my buddy across town that can get an acurrate capacitance reading off his equipment.

Thanks again for the detailed info! Merry Christmas!

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Old 25th December 2009, 03:29 PM   #9
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gootee Did your source give a MIL-C # ?

I have a suspicion this cap maybe a GLASS DIELECTRIC
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Old 25th December 2009, 04:10 PM   #10
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Here is the manufacturer's website:

ASC Capacitors - Home

OT:

Interestingly, they have a technical paper about polypropylene speaker crossovers:

http://www.ascapacitor.com/techbulle...0crossover.pdf

And they have some other interesting-looking technical bulletins, at:

http://www.ascapacitor.com/techbulletins/

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