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Old 31st December 2011, 07:50 AM   #1471
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Albert, while you wait for Rod's reply, see post #1328
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Old 31st December 2011, 08:15 AM   #1472
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Thanks Massimo!

This is still valid, so I can paste it in here:

Filament Bias is possible with all versions of the 26 Filament Regulator.

Here's what to do, if you use the 10-Ohm Resistor, as published by Andy:

The Raw dc voltage should be about 16,5V .. 18V. The Filament current is 1,05A - and gives about 12V at the output of the regulator, when adjusted correctly.

2x 10000uF/35v; 1N5822 rectifiers. resistors adjusted to give 16,5V to 18V at the regulator input terminals. See the PDF App Notes, for building a raw dc supply.

The Regulators are modded:

C1= 47uF/35V Panasonic AM (From Farnell. this has been tested.... Nichicon VR should be OK too, from Mouser)
R8 change to 470 (if you have 220 there now); or change to 1,8K (if you have 1K there now).

The down side to filament bias is a big increase in rectifier pulse current. The trafo/rectifier/caps must be wired with VERY short leads to prevent magnetic coupling from these pulses into your amp. Put them in a shielded box, away from the tubes!

Alternatively, find a big choke 3.3-22mH or more (at 2A) and use PSUD2 to work out a choke-input supply. This also should be kept away from the tubes, but potentially offers the ultimate in performance.
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Old 31st December 2011, 11:22 AM   #1473
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After several hours of reading yesterday morning I was still as confused as when I started reading the thread. I saved and copied several schematics and then went to the garage in a mad search for parts. Well, I have some Hammond 157 chokes 40mA and several 156's at 8mA I believe for plate chokes. Transformers yup have them too. Thinking along the lines of a dual mono block #26 line stage. A waste of parts ...well maybe but then again the 26 from what I read is a complex little humming bastard. Power transformers yup two of them off ebay massive but very little money in them. I have two big 9-0-9 10A transformers also for the filament supply.

So..... Grid bias or filament bias? Some here say filament and some say grid. Naturally the expensive power transformers will deliver superior performance but at a price. The output transformer has got to be spot on in performance as well as a nice input control.

The question is... with the run of the mill parts I have on hand I still need a constant current source to lower the ripple and improve performance of the B+ supply. So, which one and how much? Then I need some type of filament regulated power supply so again who do I buy it from and how much?

CCS ahead of a shunt regulator? Looking at Coolzero's power supply schematic and 3.3K resistor ahead of the 200H plate choke for better low frequency response or after the choke?
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Old 31st December 2011, 11:32 AM   #1474
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For B+ regulation, SSHV (now in version 2) Simplistic Mosfet HV Shunt Regs, is a good choice. Version 1 was build by many with positive results.
I would not put a resistor between regulator, choke and anode.
You can also have a look at battery bias.
For filament supply, ask Rod Coleman.
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Old 31st December 2011, 01:49 PM   #1475
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for lazy people like me just use a 2X 12V transformer with two low noise 1amp Tenlab filament bias regulator and you will get great sounds without hum or noise..

lundahl CCS as B+ regulation ... lazy you say ?
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Old 31st December 2011, 02:21 PM   #1476
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I have two big 9-0-9 10A transformers also for the filament supply.

So..... Grid bias or filament bias? Some here say filament and some say grid. Naturally the expensive power transformers will deliver superior performance but at a price. The output transformer has got to be spot on in performance as well as a nice input control.
If you have 9-0-9V 10A trafos, then you can make the perfect raw dc for Filament Bias, with only a very modest cost.

The attached PSUD2 grab shows the 9-0-9 series connected, feeding a quasi-choke-input supply. The Choke is a Hammond 159ZE or similar (28mH, 430mR dc, 3A rated. The 15000uF C2 only sees a ripple of 300mA rms, so any variety should work perfectly under such low stress. C1 should be Panasonic FC or similar quality high ripple handling: 2x 220uF 35V.

The quasi-choke-input configuration means lower impulse current through the trafo-rectifier- and this supply will deliver 17 -18Vdc: perfect raw dc for Filament Bias using my regulator kits. They are self assembly kits, so the price is low. You can click my name to send some email - I have PDF manuals and App Notes on getting best sound through better filament heating.
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Old 31st December 2011, 02:45 PM   #1477
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Looked up the specs on the transformer 36vct @ 8A in series or 18vct@ 16A in parallel. Will this work ok?
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Old 31st December 2011, 03:21 PM   #1478
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Albert, while you wait for Rod's reply, see post #1328
Happy new year to everybody!
Massimo,

Thanks and Happy 2012

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Old 31st December 2011, 03:23 PM   #1479
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Thanks Massimo!

This is still valid, so I can paste it in here:

Filament Bias is possible with all versions of the 26 Filament Regulator.

Here's what to do, if you use the 10-Ohm Resistor, as published by Andy:

The Raw dc voltage should be about 16,5V .. 18V. The Filament current is 1,05A - and gives about 12V at the output of the regulator, when adjusted correctly.

2x 10000uF/35v; 1N5822 rectifiers. resistors adjusted to give 16,5V to 18V at the regulator input terminals. See the PDF App Notes, for building a raw dc supply.

The Regulators are modded:

C1= 47uF/35V Panasonic AM (From Farnell. this has been tested.... Nichicon VR should be OK too, from Mouser)
R8 change to 470 (if you have 220 there now); or change to 1,8K (if you have 1K there now).

The down side to filament bias is a big increase in rectifier pulse current. The trafo/rectifier/caps must be wired with VERY short leads to prevent magnetic coupling from these pulses into your amp. Put them in a shielded box, away from the tubes!

Alternatively, find a big choke 3.3-22mH or more (at 2A) and use PSUD2 to work out a choke-input supply. This also should be kept away from the tubes, but potentially offers the ultimate in performance.
Rod,

Big thanks and happy 2012
I might not have the 1N5822, but have some fast recovery type 60v 8A

Albert
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Old 31st December 2011, 03:30 PM   #1480
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Looked up the specs on the transformer 36vct @ 8A in series or 18vct@ 16A in parallel. Will this work ok?
As 18V CT, it will be perfect for the PSUD2 example, shown above. If the dc voltage comes up above 18V under load, just reduce C1 a touch (eg 220uF + 100uF parallel).
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