Gyrator Question - Page 4 - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Tubes / Valves

Tubes / Valves All about our sweet vacuum tubes :) Threads about Musical Instrument Amps of all kinds should be in the Instruments & Amps forum

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 15th May 2009, 12:45 AM   #31
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Sure! The ~500V is being used to feed a cascoded Mosfet current source on the 10Y anyway. (It could use a little higher actually but the amp is being used to drive a very efficient horn so the overhead is not critical on the breadboarded version.) Using dropping resistance from that power supply output, I'm getting a tap at 290V for another CCS on the plate of the 417A for a total of 140VDC across the CCS. (of course the LED or Zener bias string will still be across ~290VDC but I've got a big enough resistor here somewhere) I can simply pull the existing CCS and swap in your circuit for a comparison.
Of course, If you specify 350V or any other V at the top of your circuit I can easily adjust the dropping R to get the desired voltage. I'm also happy to try other BJTs Mosfets etc if there are any specific ones you recommend for the circuit.
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th May 2009, 01:13 AM   #32
diyAudio Member
 
Wavebourn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pleasant Hill, CA
Send a message via Skype™ to Wavebourn
I don't know how close are MJE5731A to specs so I would not risk, it may start breaking up exactly at 375 Volts.

Can you find a 350V Zener string and a N-type MOSFET that is specified for more than 500 Volts? Such a way you would regulate a voltage on about 350 V that will be safe for your PNP transistor that loads the tube in any expected and unexpected conditions.
__________________
"Our youth [...] have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders, contradict their parents, [...] and tyrannize their teachers.” -- Plato, 447-367 BCE
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th May 2009, 04:27 AM   #33
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Quote:
Originally posted by Wavebourn
I don't know how close are MJE5731A to specs so I would not risk, it may start breaking up exactly at 375 Volts.

Can you find a 350V Zener string and a N-type MOSFET that is specified for more than 500 Volts? Such a way you would regulate a voltage on about 350 V that will be safe for your PNP transistor that loads the tube in any expected and unexpected conditions.
I can put together something for the zener string without any trouble. How much drop on the zener itself do we want?
Will N-type depletion mode Mosfets work here ? - all I have are DN2540N5 (400V) and IXYS IXTP01N100D (1000V) . If they won't do I can get some of the irf9610 mentioned on the thread or whatever you recommend.

Just one other question. DO I really need 350V? Max positive swing on the plate of the 417A will be 150 + 60 so +/- 210VDC. I'm not complaining, just wondering why we need to worry about 350VDC. Are you thinking about start-up transients?

This is Great! Thanks Wavebourn!
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th May 2009, 04:34 AM   #34
diyAudio Member
 
Michael Koster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Eureka, CA
Quote:
Originally posted by Hearinspace


Michael, Wavebourn, could I ask you to post sketches of what you're talking about? A beginner at solid state circuitry, I'm trying to learn from you and am not sure if what I imagine from reading your words is even remotely similar to what you're talking about.

Also Michael, talking about Gyrators on filaments, did you see Rod Coleman's post? If you haven't already you might find it interesting. I built it in simple form (ie. much simpler rectifier and filter front end) and it works well/sounds good. Also tried a version with the top half of his circuit mirrored in the bottom, the whole thing fed by a current source.
Thanks
Here's what I would find useful as a modular bit of circuit, enclosed
in the dashed box. The current through R3 sets the DC voltage
to the gate of the anode load, and thereby sets the grid bias
voltage of the following tube. The mode of the output can be
changed by stuffing R1, R2, or both.

Cheers,

Michael

PS The filament gyrator is exactly what I had in mind. I like it better
than the VCCS approach.
Attached Images
File Type: png gyrator-plus.png (7.0 KB, 1161 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th May 2009, 07:02 AM   #35
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Why use a gyrator in a PSU? Really bad idea!

Better to use a capacitance-multiplier. This way you get low output impedance and don´t need expensive, high-quality caps at the output. Only a small plastic. The same amount of parts are needed. Ripple will even be lower or on par.

Simmed some variations(gyrator, ripple-generator, cap-multiplier) last night, will show them when I get home from work. The gyrator simme worst but all where good.


Michael, noticed you liked "my" HiZ DN2540 voltage-source .
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th May 2009, 07:36 AM   #36
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Michael, noticed you had to many components in your circut above. Remove the 330k and make R3 330k instead. It will not be much current through the DN2540 so one might choose a smaller one(LND150?).
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th May 2009, 02:05 PM   #37
diyAudio Member
 
Michael Koster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Eureka, CA
Quote:
Originally posted by revintage
Michael, noticed you had to many components in your circut above. Remove the 330k and make R3 330k instead. It will not be much current through the DN2540 so one might choose a smaller one(LND150?).
That would work fine but I also wanted the option to use a zener etc.
in place of R3 for more stable voltage setting if needed. It could be
used at a lower voltage that would make the resistor value too small,
so I added the extra resistor.

This is a candidate for a PCB so I wanted to have some options in
stuffing.

Michael
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th May 2009, 02:10 PM   #38
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
OK, got it ! Why not make place for another resistor above the 330k/zener as to make it possible to arrange shunt-regulation.
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th May 2009, 02:42 PM   #39
diyAudio Member
 
whitelabrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Maryland
Quote:
Originally posted by revintage
Better to use a capacitance-multiplier.
I've got a couple TIP50's for this exact reason, but haven't played with them yet. Heat sinking can be a problem though. How much of a multiplication do you get? I've tried a Great Big 600uF 500v film capacitor which works pretty well too. It creates a space problem though due to size.
  Reply With Quote
Old 15th May 2009, 05:24 PM   #40
diyAudio Member
 
Wavebourn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pleasant Hill, CA
Send a message via Skype™ to Wavebourn
Quote:
Originally posted by Michael Koster


That would work fine but I also wanted the option to use a zener etc.
in place of R3 for more stable voltage setting if needed. It could be
used at a lower voltage that would make the resistor value too small,
so I added the extra resistor.

This is a candidate for a PCB so I wanted to have some options in
stuffing.

My opinion is, it is ready for production. Some extra holes and traces may be added for different variants of current sources, but not necessary, if you are going to supply parts with PCBs.
__________________
"Our youth [...] have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders, contradict their parents, [...] and tyrannize their teachers.” -- Plato, 447-367 BCE
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 06:59 AM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2