Morgan Jones 5842 RIAA

rknize · 2nd April 2009, 09:34 PM

Has anyone built this thing (or anything like it)? It seems that I already have the bottles needed to build it with his favorite series heater scheme, but the design is complex compared to other RIAA stages out there.

Any thoughts?

Russ

dshortt9 · 3rd April 2009, 08:15 AM

IMHO there is a limit to the THD/noise of the average record. Other than the few really well recorded vinyl records available do you really need the UBERALLESRIAAPRE? A good 6DJ8 is all that is needed for 95% of all records available. Go with the 5842 for the ultimate RIAA Pre but it will be the last you ever need.

rknize · 3rd April 2009, 01:54 PM

Thanks. I get that feeling as well. The parts count is high due to his very thorough power filtering between each stage. He does also discuss a "practical" RIAA stage using 6DJ8s and CCS plate loads. I recently went through some of my tube stash and was reminded of his 5842 design. I am also considering an Aikido RIAA stage, since it involves a PCB and thus it is highly likely that I will actually finish it.

At some point I need to build something...

Russ

theoldtrout · 3rd April 2009, 09:29 PM

I agree the MJ RIAA is heavy on components. I'm putting together a version of the Phonodude RIAA stage as a try-out, this has very few parts and apparently sounds very good. Do a search on this forum.

kevinkr · 3rd April 2009, 10:50 PM

I use the D3A and 5842 in my current phono stage design, and all I can say is it is absolutely silent, and a phono stage can never really be too quiet. It was worth the trouble and sounds like it..

SY · 4th April 2009, 12:05 AM

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a phono stage can never really be too quiet.

Couldn't agree more. What Morgan also paid close attention to (and I think is equally important) is overload recovery. Records have ticks and pops, cartridges have tip resonances, and their output is proportional to frequency.

The D3a is a superb tube for phono. And it also can swing a lot of volts cleanly.

rknize · 4th April 2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by SY
Couldn't agree more. What Morgan also paid close attention to (and I think is equally important) is overload recovery. Records have ticks and pops, cartridges have tip resonances, and their output is proportional to frequency.

The D3a is a superb tube for phono. And it also can swing a lot of volts cleanly.

Yes, recovery is exactly why I want to build a tube phono stage. The SS one I have now is horrible in that way, especially with my new speakers. My LP collection is mainly stuff from my teenage years plus a bunch of other used stuff. They are not in pristine condition by any means. I have CDs for most of it, but some of the CD mastering is just crap.

So MJ's "practical" preamp has seemingly comparable power supply isolation between stages, as each has a separate CCS. Aikido is attractive due to its impressive PSRR.

2nd April 2009, 09:34 PM	#1
rknize diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicagoland	Morgan Jones 5842 RIAA Has anyone built this thing (or anything like it)? It seems that I already have the bottles needed to build it with his favorite series heater scheme, but the design is complex compared to other RIAA stages out there. Any thoughts? Russ

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kevinkr diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Blog Entries: 6	I use the D3A and 5842 in my current phono stage design, and all I can say is it is absolutely silent, and a phono stage can never really be too quiet. It was worth the trouble and sounds like it.. __________________ www.kta-hifi.net

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3rd April 2009, 08:15 AM	#2
dshortt9 diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin	IMHO there is a limit to the THD/noise of the average record. Other than the few really well recorded vinyl records available do you really need the UBERALLESRIAAPRE? A good 6DJ8 is all that is needed for 95% of all records available. Go with the 5842 for the ultimate RIAA Pre but it will be the last you ever need.

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rknize diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicagoland	Thanks. I get that feeling as well. The parts count is high due to his very thorough power filtering between each stage. He does also discuss a "practical" RIAA stage using 6DJ8s and CCS plate loads. I recently went through some of my tube stash and was reminded of his 5842 design. I am also considering an Aikido RIAA stage, since it involves a PCB and thus it is highly likely that I will actually finish it. At some point I need to build something... Russ

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theoldtrout diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2008	I agree the MJ RIAA is heavy on components. I'm putting together a version of the Phonodude RIAA stage as a try-out, this has very few parts and apparently sounds very good. Do a search on this forum.

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