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Old 26th March 2009, 10:24 AM   #1
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Default Can AC wires induce hum in output transformers?

Hi folks,

Can twisted AC wires (HV or heater) induce hum in (quality) transformers if they run close to the transformer? If so, how close is too close? I am not talking about the proximity or orientation of the power transformer to the output transformer but rather the AC secondary leads.

As a supplementary question, if induced hum is possible, would a 2mm aluminum plate between wires and transformer act as a shield?

Obviously, the simple solution is to keep the two separate but for various irritating reasons this is not easily possible with my current chassis.

Any input welcome. Thanks in advance.

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Old 26th March 2009, 10:37 AM   #2
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This induction is definitely not an issue at output levels. And the 2mm alu will have practically no effect.
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Old 26th March 2009, 04:50 PM   #3
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I'd only worry about it if the transformer is an open bracket interstage transformer that is being used in low level circuitry.

The twisted pair should be pretty resistant against causing this sort of thing.
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First off...Aluminum is a non-magnetic metal and will not "short out" a stray unwanted magnetic field.
If I recall, Morgan Jones made a notation to twist-per-inch of such lines. The twisting has a nulling effect for magnetic fields.
It would be a nice study of twisting 'rates' vs. field 'output'????
Seeing how some run these lines, I have the impression a "flanking manouver" with twisted pairs is a viable wiring technique.
Rather...not trying to do a shortest possible but a sweeping route thru the chassis...trying to maintain the longest distance between other wires. This of course will look kinda kooky with the twisted pairs floating thru the chassis toward their target.
I have the impression fields generated by twisted pairs is measured in millimeters. EG..3-7mm
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Old 26th March 2009, 07:56 PM   #6
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Thanks for the replies,

Normally I run all of the AC power lines away from any of the signal path, including the output transformers. Unfortunately the penetratrators for my power transformer leads ended up very close to my output transformer as I was forced to move my output transformers due to a problem with the original design of the chassis.

Anyhow, this is good news.

Cheers and thanks again.

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Old 26th March 2009, 11:18 PM   #7
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it could be that the transfromers are acting on the ac wires. if so screen them.................................i think ?
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