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Old 27th July 2009, 10:39 PM   #21
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Nope. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped..._not_a_soapbox

Here is a recent example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=304021540
So, advertisement of "tube modelers" is out of rules.
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Old 27th July 2009, 11:07 PM   #22
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Now it offers both opinions, however a distortion-concentrated opinion still prevails, that's why I cited myself on top:
There are plenty of rules in Wikipedia and here is one of them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ginal_research

When ever you find a suspicious and unsourced claim in a Wiki article, you may demand sources. Add a tag and that's enough for a while:
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Old 28th July 2009, 03:55 PM   #23
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valve sound is the absence of 7th and 13th from the THD
with some warmth added for good measure
-------so there is no need for any aspirin------
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As I said, the article is biased, it clearly stated that people who prefer tube amps prefer them because they add distortions. [/B]
The trouble is that there are a lot of lazy engineers who have learned that musicians like valves for the distortion they produce when overdriven, so they assume that Hi-Fi people like them for the same reason. Trying to tell such people that valves are linear is just bashing your head against a wall. Been there, done that.
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The trouble is that there are a lot of lazy engineers who have learned that musicians like valves for the distortion they produce when overdriven, so they assume that Hi-Fi people like them for the same reason. Trying to tell such people that valves are linear is just bashing your head against a wall. Been there, done that.
Yesterday in SS forum RocketScientist advertised LM4562 as the best solution for audio, and tried to make a fun of me telling that he respect people who love tubes because they add euphonic distortions, but he himself prefers a clean sound that's why he does not try tubes, but he knows that they are not clean.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...83#post1889883
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"Ketchup on a $40 steak..." I don't think you're going to find common ground with him. Personally, I'd be delighted to find a transistor amplifier that has that cleanliness in the midrange and lower treble that a valve has. It would save me a lot of money on valves and electricity.
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Would be worth another edit to tweak the Harmonic Content and Distortion section where it is stated that push pull apmplifiers produce no second harmonic distortion. Certainly a characteristic of the output stage is that it cancels second harmonic distortion being produced there, however no output stage can remove second harmonics produced earlier in the circuit in either gain stages or phase splitters.

I'm not versed with wiki editing so I'll leave it to those of you dablling in this one if you choose fit to do so.
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Would be worth another edit to tweak the Harmonic Content and Distortion section where it is stated that push pull apmplifiers produce no second harmonic distortion. Certainly a characteristic of the output stage is that it cancels second harmonic distortion being produced there, however no output stage can remove second harmonics produced earlier in the circuit in either gain stages or phase splitters.

I'm not versed with wiki editing so I'll leave it to those of you dablling in this one if you choose fit to do so.
I can do that, but I'm afraid I will be asked again to provide references to support my point of view. Like, "Give me a reference to prove that a water feels wet!"
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I can do that, but I'm afraid I will be asked again to provide references to support my point of view. Like, "Give me a reference to prove that a water feels wet!"

Look, I am not one of the deletionists of Wikipedia, but I friendly warned you that they exist.
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Look, I am not one of the deletionists of Wikipedia, but I friendly warned you that they exist.
And I friendly agreed to delete the whole article.
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