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Old 6th July 2009, 02:10 AM   #11
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I hope that if someone contributes to the article that they include the effects of the magnetics in the signal path, not only in small signal but in overdriven sound as well (ie musical electrical instruments as a source). AFAIK There are documents on this from John Murphy.
I'd suggest that you contribute, because obviously you know something.
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Old 6th July 2009, 02:51 AM   #12
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But I like to keep things secret besides it helps keep the tube sound mystique going That article looks like it's in heavy transition right now.
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That article looks like it's in heavy transition right now.
Now is your opportunity: Nothing has happened to the article after July 4th.
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Old 27th July 2009, 05:16 PM   #14
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That article looks like it's in heavy transition right now.
It is not!
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It is not!
The article is biased: the main idea there is that tubes add some distortions that musicians and audiophiles prefer, so I corrected it a little bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_sound
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The article is biased: the main idea there is that tubes add some distortions that musicians and audiophiles prefer, so I corrected it a little bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_sound
I see that you have struggled to improve the article. Don't forget to add sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...en_of_evidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletio...m_in_Wikipedia
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I see that you have struggled to improve the article. Don't forget to add sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...en_of_evidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletio...m_in_Wikipedia
What sources?
Is it a proven fact that audiophiles prefer presence of tube - specific distortions? No. They may as well prefer absence of other distortions that tube amps don't add. Otherwise the article is a clear advertising of digital "tube sound modelers". Does Wiki permit free advertisements?

As I said, the article is biased, it clearly stated that people who prefer tube amps prefer them because they add distortions. I am strongly disagree, because I myself personally and many of experienced engineers I know believe that tubes when add inaudible distortions don't add distortions that sound horrible no matter how low they are according to some measurements.

Now it offers both opinions, however a distortion-concentrated opinion still prevails, that's why I cited myself on top:

Actually, there is one and only one way to reproduce clean sound, while number of ways to distort it is countless. That's why more and more of measurement methods are being invented, but they still can't cover all errors that may be created. It reminds me a crowd of persons that instead of going to the goal always try to avoid obstacles, so always have to back up bumping into walls, trees, poles, each other, falling in holes, and so on, because concentrating on problems (distortions), running from them backward, that crowd of smart persons don't see what is behind.

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Best thing IMO would be the article to completely disappear. There is no specific "tube sound" as such, as it's more a matter of topology than of the devices used. What we have is a sound associated with a (specific) part of tube-based gear, that's all.

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Best thing IMO would be the article to completely disappear. There is no specific "tube sound" as such, as it's more a matter of topology than of the devices used. What we have is a sound associated with a (specific) part of tube-based gear, that's all.
I agree, it would be better to eraze it at all. Otherwise we all are crazy here because we struggle to create specific distortions instead of listening to clear sounding systems. Or, we are crooks who design for crazy people who prefer distorted sounds calling it clear.
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Does Wiki permit free advertisements?
Nope. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped..._not_a_soapbox

Here is a recent example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=304021540
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