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Le Basseur · 9th April 2003, 09:23 AM

Ehm.....finally,someone out there KNOWS what's really happening....
During these (too many!) years,I encountered a sturdy opposition each time when I dared to recommend some Russian-made tubes.Things are,though,changing,because in real life advertising a product doesn't save the product itself from poor qualities.
Maybe someone would say that I'm getting off topic,but it's time to move on and speak loudly about some obvious facts.
I had countless frustrations when,achieving unexpectedly good results with some NOS Russian-made tubes,the people's stupid reaction was to instantly discard the product,no matter what they heard,just because they saw some "unknown" or "odd" tubes on the chassis...
On the other hand,what about the japanese Counterpoint preamps?
They used for years ONLY Russian versions of ECC88...more than that,they always recomended that any tube substitution should be made EXCLUSIVELY with their samples!
Since I mentioned Counterpoint,let's be sincere:the Russian ECC 88 is my last option for this type of tube (though it's extremely reliable,the sound is far from my taste,because IT YELLS!),but,if we impartially analyze the overall sound,the major problem is that stupid stabilized power supply.Obviously,someone there studied electronics a little too much,forgeting other imperatives...
Another case in point:did you ever repaired a Mesa-Boogie guitar amp?Well,if you didn't,I can tell you that these amps had,almost invariably,some "Mesa"-stamped ECC 83's,of a very poor quality.
On a close inspection,they turn out to be Russian-made,but imported,"selected" and stamped with western logos.
The point I'd like to emphasise is this:do not judge the appearences and try to get some original Russian tubes,made before 80s.THIS is the real thing,competes with any other over-priced western product,in most cases has a better behaviour and performance.
Use your common sense!
Cheers,

Le Basseur · 9th April 2003, 10:51 AM

James D from Italy,please allow me to contact you by mail!
I think we have something to share....
THX,
Le Basseur

James D. · 9th April 2003, 01:09 PM

Hi Le Basseur,

Sorry!, I didn't relise my email was turned off. I've now turned it on.

Thanks

James

9th April 2003, 09:23 AM	#21
Le Basseur diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Croatia	Glad to meet you,TG! Ehm.....finally,someone out there KNOWS what's really happening.... During these (too many!) years,I encountered a sturdy opposition each time when I dared to recommend some Russian-made tubes.Things are,though,changing,because in real life advertising a product doesn't save the product itself from poor qualities. Maybe someone would say that I'm getting off topic,but it's time to move on and speak loudly about some obvious facts. I had countless frustrations when,achieving unexpectedly good results with some NOS Russian-made tubes,the people's stupid reaction was to instantly discard the product,no matter what they heard,just because they saw some "unknown" or "odd" tubes on the chassis... On the other hand,what about the japanese Counterpoint preamps? They used for years ONLY Russian versions of ECC88...more than that,they always recomended that any tube substitution should be made EXCLUSIVELY with their samples! Since I mentioned Counterpoint,let's be sincere:the Russian ECC 88 is my last option for this type of tube (though it's extremely reliable,the sound is far from my taste,because IT YELLS!),but,if we impartially analyze the overall sound,the major problem is that stupid stabilized power supply.Obviously,someone there studied electronics a little too much,forgeting other imperatives... Another case in point:did you ever repaired a Mesa-Boogie guitar amp?Well,if you didn't,I can tell you that these amps had,almost invariably,some "Mesa"-stamped ECC 83's,of a very poor quality. On a close inspection,they turn out to be Russian-made,but imported,"selected" and stamped with western logos. The point I'd like to emphasise is this:do not judge the appearences and try to get some original Russian tubes,made before 80s.THIS is the real thing,competes with any other over-priced western product,in most cases has a better behaviour and performance. Use your common sense! Cheers,

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9th April 2003, 10:51 AM	#22
Le Basseur diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Croatia	James D from Italy,please allow me to contact you by mail! I think we have something to share.... THX, Le Basseur

9th April 2003, 01:09 PM	#23
James D. diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: North Herts, UK	Hi Le Basseur, Sorry!, I didn't relise my email was turned off. I've now turned it on. Thanks James

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