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Old 15th March 2003, 12:27 AM   #1
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Question 6CK4 PP Amp

I'm looking for some help in building a PP amp using the 6CK4. If someone has any hints or info, I would certainly appreciate some guidance what kind of load line, etc.
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Old 15th March 2003, 02:01 AM   #2
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Hmm...neat tube , I want some!!

Sorta like 6W6 I guess... anywho...

For class A1: maybe 200V supply, 50mA bias (-20V grid, 400 ohms per tube if cathode bias) = 10W dissipation (I'm sure you could push 15W Pd, vertical deflection is tough so it's going to be a hearty tube).
Loadline. Go up to the zero-bias curve and choose a point.. approx. double current (i.e. 100mA) is typical. That seems a little shallow so I'll say 125mA, which happens at 100V. The flipside of the point occurs at -40V, twice the bias voltage, about 5mA/255V. Thus Imax and Imin are 124 and 5mA respectively; Io (operating) is 50mA; Vmax is 257, Vo is 200, and Vmin is 100V. The slope of the loadline is the resistance, (Vmax-Vmin)/(Imax-Imin), or about 1.3k. You can also calculate distortion, based on:
Code:
            Imax + Imin
           ------------- - Io
                 2
2nd H % = -------------------- * 100
            Imax - Imin
Which can be simplified (algebraically speaking ) to:
Code:
2nd H % = 50(Imax^2 - Imin^2) + 100Io(Imin - Imax)
(That assumes my logic unit is still working.. it tends to get faulty with sleepiness... )

Anyway. That comes to 12%, but I just remembered that 2nd H is canceled in PP amps so you can ignore it

Have fun. Wonder how many responses popped in while I typed this...(when I started there were none )...

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Forgot the graph I prepared..

The loadline shown is SE. For PP, each tube needs to see that - so 1.3k per half (either side of the CT). So the anode-to-anode load must be four times, or 5.2k (you needn't be so exact, a 4 or 6k would work about the same ).

Now, this is where I keep forgetting things... Do the tubes act in series, hence a-a = 4*single Rl? Or do they act in parallel, giving a-a nearer 1x? Or somewhere inbetween, say one tube is half cutoff (half Gm or Rp, take your pick) and the load is suddenly on a single tube!

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Old 15th March 2003, 02:23 AM   #4
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Default how about a schematic?

Scroll down this page for one idea.
http://hollowstate.netfirms.com/DIY_files/proto.htm

here is another
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/saints...er/6ck4-pp.gif

http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/saints...mer/index.html

Something to start with anyway.

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Old 15th March 2003, 03:09 AM   #5
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I don't recommend the second one.. 100uF on a 5U4 is liable to pop it, hearty though the tube is! That guy was probably going from his junk pile, but if you must do it like that, use a lower voltage transformer or choke input.

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So many with so much information, so quickly. Do you guys have lives? What more could I ask for? Thanks so very much. I'll put pencil to tongue and go from there!
Tks a mil,
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Now, this is where I keep forgetting things... Do the tubes act in series, hence a-a = 4*single Rl? Or do they act in parallel, giving a-a nearer 1x?
I tried to follow a thread on the JoeList on this subject -- seemed like a thousand posts -- and there seemed to be perfectly valid arguments for both cases -- over my head at the moment.

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