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Old 22nd March 2008, 06:25 PM   #1
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i am about to construct this schematic .... since i have many of these tubes from a very good brand and army specs .....

i would like very much to listen your comments and opinion about this circuit

thank you very much
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Old 22nd March 2008, 06:52 PM   #2
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Well, call me chicken if you want, but I wouldn't use any expensive moving coil cartridge going straight to a tube's grid. Without the protection of a stepup transformer, or worse a giant capacitor, the first time something goes wrong with that tube, poof goes your MC.
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Old 22nd March 2008, 07:16 PM   #3
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Default thanks for the input

i am planing to use this with a stanton mm 680 or something simular .......

i am a transistor guy but as since i have so many of these tubes i thought about building something with them .....

your opinion about the rest of the circuit will be very usefull ......

also some information about the all thing since i have no idea how all this is working .....

i presume that the first tube is working as a buffer then the second makes the riaa equalization ...and then the third ????what is it for ????

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Old 22nd March 2008, 07:46 PM   #4
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Sakis,

That design uses 3 cascaded common cathode gain stages. It appears that the RIAA EQ circuitry is split. The R5/C5 combination is a low pass filter.

I'd be very cautious about using that design to drive a low I/P impedance line stage. Adding an IRFBC20 source follower DC coupled to the 6J5's plate will resolve that issue.

UF4007 diodes are a drop in replacement for 1N4007s that generate less switching noise. The same noise consideration suggests Schottky diodes be used in the heater PSU bridge.

FWIW, I too would not use that circuit with a LOMC. S/N performance is likely to be unacceptably poor.
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Old 23rd March 2008, 12:31 AM   #5
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i presume that the first tube is working as a buffer then the second makes the riaa equalization ...and then the third ????what is it for ????
The RIAA is in two parts. A filter before, and after the middle tube.

I am wondering at the advantages of paralleled input tubes, and also why all the paralleled load resistors.

The 3rd tube looks like an attempt to provide a low impedance drive with using cathode follower. Some people don't like to use cathode followers - say they sound bad. Not sure I agree.
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Old 23rd March 2008, 01:22 AM   #6
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The RIAA is in two parts. A filter before, and after the middle tube.

I am wondering at the advantages of paralleled input tubes, and also why all the paralleled load resistors.

The 3rd tube looks like an attempt to provide a low impedance drive with using cathode follower. Some people don't like to use cathode followers - say they sound bad. Not sure I agree.

Look at the schematic carefully, the O/P is taken from the anode of the 3rd stage. All 3 stages are configured common cathode.

I suspect the reasons for paralleling load resistors are obtaining a specific value and increased power handling capability.

Using parallel sections in the I/P stage doubles gm, which can contribute to an improved S/N ratio.
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Old 23rd March 2008, 01:28 AM   #7
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Look at the schematic carefully, the O/P is taken from the anode of the 3rd stage. All 3 stages are configured common cathode.
Oops, I really meant to say withOUT, not with.

Can't believe I mistyped that... sorry
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Old 23rd March 2008, 07:57 AM   #8
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The power supply....
First ....The purpose of D1 is to protect the body diode from blowing durring shut-down.... Watch that the forward voltage drop of D1 is lower than the body diode at Worst Case Analysis over temp....
I don't see the advantage of R10...It actually hinders the supply perfromance....an L would be better there, but still not needed..
Also..the zener string needs to be feed from a PNP CCS..for better audio and noise rejection from the BUS.... essentially making the regulated supply lower in noise, which is critical in phono stages...
I would also use a higher voltage ratted part than the IRF530...
Be carefull durring start-up condition...The GATE is at 0 volts at time 0...... The voltage at the Drain may rise faster the RC at the GATE...you can put a zener across R16 to protect the FET for that few seconds the Drain to Gate voltage "may" be excessive....

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Old 23rd March 2008, 09:42 AM   #9
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My comment on the power supply is that it is way over-complicated. Maybe I am going against common wisdom here, as I haven't been posting here long, but I am in favour of keeping things simple. I don't, as a rule, use regulated power supplies, especially not for heaters. If people disagree, well at least it'll make for an interesting discussion

I run my phono stage heaters from DC, but it's a simple filtered supply. I arrange to drop enough voltage by resistance, so that the heaters end up with correct voltage on them. Why should it ever vary enough to matter?
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Old 23rd March 2008, 12:27 PM   #10
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Default i had my thought

about power supply also .....

but this is secondary the most importand is the phono stage ...i was actually thinking about building something even more simple but yet my theory on tubes is not really enough ....

i ve seen a phono stage that works with ecc83 and i was curious if possible to convert the circuit to make operate with 12ay7.....

here is the circuit
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