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Evenharmonics 16th March 2008 06:40 PM

Tubelab SE finished but need help.
 
I'm stuck after doing the first round of test. After I finished connecting all the transformers, I did the "Checkout" process. The voltages checked out fine and went as far as playing some music. Then the fuse blew after about 10 minutes. I disconnected speaker, music source IC and pulled out all the tubes. Replaced the fuse and redid the "Checkout" process. At the step where checking the voltage of output tube grid, both sides measure negative voltage but after about 10 seconds of powering up, one side starts to show positive voltage which wasn't the case during my first round of test. What could be doing this?

astouffer 16th March 2008 06:52 PM

It could be a few things. Run the amp with no output tubes and keep an eye on the voltage. A cap could be leaky or a grid bias resistor could be bad. Although my first thought is a bad tube because you say it only happens after 10 minutes. You could try swapping the tubes and see if the same thing happens on the other channel.

Evenharmonics 16th March 2008 07:43 PM

It's the part where only the rectifier tube is in place and measurement of "meter from the grid of the output tubes to ground". Link

Evenharmonics 16th March 2008 07:58 PM

Couple more pointers...
 
While I'm at it, power transformer (Hammond 272JX) buzzes and I can feel the vibration. Is it normal? I heard that it's common for Hammond PT. Also, there are 9 leads off of it but the schematic shows 8 are connected. Do I leave one floating?

tubelab.com 17th March 2008 02:19 AM

Sorry for the slow reply, I was out of town yesterday, and at the warehouse most of today. I will be out until 9PM EST tomorrow, but I will answer any additional questions when I get home.

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one side starts to show positive voltage which wasn't the case during my first round of test. What could be doing this?
This is usually caused by a bad mosfet in the channel that has the problem but it could be a bad resistor or the bias pot itself could be bad. Unfortunately the easiest way to tell if a mosfet is bad is to remove it from the PC board. If the voltage at the gate terminal behaves normally (adjusts from - 70 or so to -10 or so) without the mosfet installed, the mosfet was bad.

What type of mosfets did you use? The mosfets that are recommended replacements for the 2SK2700 seem to be more sensitive to heat than the good old 2SK2700. Make sure the mosfet is securely attached to the heat sink.

How much B+ voltage are you getting (measured across R30) and what is the B- voltage (connect the meter across R7). Some transformers seem to cause a higher B- voltage than others making the mosfets get too hot. I have an amplifier sitting here with a 272JX in it that has played fine for the last 3 weeks.

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While I'm at it, power transformer (Hammond 272JX) buzzes and I can feel the vibration. Is it normal? I heard that it's common for Hammond PT.
I have heard this also, but mine makes absolutely no noise even with my ear next to it.

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Also, there are 9 leads off of it but the schematic shows 8 are connected. Do I leave one floating?
The yellow with black stripe lead is not used and should be taped up or cut off. This wire has the full B+ voltage on it so it must not touch anything. The green with a yellow stripe lead is not used with a 300B amp although it won't hurt anything to connect it to the PC board. Pad 1 is not connected with 300B tubes.

Evenharmonics 17th March 2008 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by tubelab.com
What type of mosfets did you use? The mosfets that are recommended replacements for the 2SK2700 seem to be more sensitive to heat than the good old 2SK2700. Make sure the mosfet is securely attached to the heat sink.
I used Fairchild MOSFET. I ordered an extra one. Should I try without it or go ahead and swap?

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How much B+ voltage are you getting (measured across R30) and what is the B- voltage (connect the meter across R7). Some transformers seem to cause a higher B- voltage than others making the mosfets get too hot. I have an amplifier sitting here with a 272JX in it that has played fine for the last 3 weeks.
Without any tubes, B+ is -21 vdc, B- is 242 vdc. With rectifier tube in, B+ is 432 vdc, B- is 184 vdc.

Evenharmonics 17th March 2008 02:37 AM

In addition, when I was adjusting output tube filament current of now defective one, I once turned the pot little past what's ideal for 2A3 but then turned it back down. Would that have any affect on MOSFET? Did I do it right when measuring the current, I set the multimeter to "200m" (which is next to "10A" on dial), then adjust the pot to see 2.5 on the display?

Evenharmonics 17th March 2008 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by tubelab.com
This is usually caused by a bad mosfet in the channel that has the problem but it could be a bad resistor or the bias pot itself could be bad.
It was MOSFET. That fixed it however, I've made a rookie mistake. While testing input tube (5842) plate to ground voltage, right channel ground lead clip loosened and disconnected. Instead of powering off first, I reconnected it right away. Then I thought I heard a little spark at the tip of lead and something near the right input tube started to buzz. Then the tube started to glow brighter than the left one. It smelled like something was burning. Did I fry semiconductor U2? :hot:

Evenharmonics 18th March 2008 03:17 AM

Here's an update
 
Semiconductor U2 is not at fault. The burning smell is coming from R14 and it's turning darker (burning out) when rectifier tube is in place. What could be causing this?

tubelab.com 18th March 2008 12:44 PM

If the 5842 is overheating the CCS chip U2 is most likely at fault. This may also cause R10 and R16 to overheat. Measure the voltage at the plate of the overheating 5842 it should be near 175 volts and adjustable by R9 if the voltage is too high and not adjustable the chip is bad. Do not operate the amplifier for more than a few seconds at a time or the tube may be damaged.

R14 is in a different circuit than the 5842 - U2 circuit. It sets the current through the mosfet. If R14 is severely overheating there is still trouble with the mosfet. Is the output tube grid negative and adjustable by R12? If so and the resistor is still overheating, is the resistor the correct value?


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