Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Tubes / Valves
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Tubes / Valves All about our sweet vacuum tubes :) Threads about Musical Instrument Amps of all kinds should be in the Instruments & Amps forum

diyAudio Sponsor

Search for a tube at thetubestore.com                            Product reviews and more

Audio tubes for any amplifier: from high end home audio to classic guitar amps.

Quick links by tube type: 12AX7, EL34, 6L6, KT66, 6550, KT88, EL84, 12AU7, 12AT7, 6922, 6H30, 300B, 6V6, 6SN7 

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 4th March 2008, 01:08 AM   #1
nhuwar is offline nhuwar  United States
diyAudio Member
 
nhuwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tomball Texas
Default Se output transformer question

Hi all the question I have is, on a regular output transformer the large size of the core is needed do to the dc current going through it. Is this correct? So in a se para feed the output transformer only need to be big enough for the ac power going through it.

So I guess what I'm asking is a para feed output transformer can be much smaller then a normally set up se output tranny?

Sorry if it's worded a little cryptically.

Thanks a mill.

Nick
  Reply With Quote
Old 4th March 2008, 01:16 AM   #2
diyAudio Member
 
tubelab.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: South Florida
Yes, this is generally the case. A parafeed OPT is usually the same size as an equally rated (for power and frequency) P-P OPT. I have successfully used P-P OPT's and even power (mains) toroids as parafeed OPT's Sometimes exotic materials (cobalt etc.) are used that may make the OPT larger.
__________________
Too much power is almost enough! Turn it up till it explodes - then back up just a little.
  Reply With Quote
Old 4th March 2008, 01:36 AM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
MQracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Hi Nick:

Yes.. parafeed outputs can be smaller than a series fed conventional single ended output trans that must carry the unbal dc plate current.

The unbal dc plate current--- "consumes" core capacity (flux)--- think of a core as a sponge--- it will have a finite capacity to absorb electrical energy--- i.e., a given core will have a max flux capacity. This flux capacity must be (in the case of the conventional SE) be able to accomadate both the DC flux as well as the AC flux. In a parafeed application there is no dc plate current in the primary and hence the core does not have to have the extra size necessary to handle the dc flux.

the parafeed output will (just as a general rule of thumb) only have to be the size of a similar power rated push-pull output transformer. As a rough rule of thumb a conventional SE output trans must be on the order of say up to 4 times the size of a normal push pull trans of the same power rating.

But keep in mind that if we count "total" iron--- that the parafeed arrangement still may be a large "consumer" of iron--- though the output trans can be built much smaller (sans the dc current duties)--- the plate choke (if you use a plate choke) will be moreso similar in size to a series fed conventional airgapped output--- the plate choke has to handle the dc plate current and the ac signal voltages.

Of course--- if you use a CCS as a plate load or a plate resistor then you would not need a plate choke. But if you do use a plate choke it tends toward being a larger unit physically.

MSL
  Reply With Quote
Old 4th March 2008, 11:24 AM   #4
nhuwar is offline nhuwar  United States
diyAudio Member
 
nhuwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tomball Texas
haHa thanks I was pretty certain of but I wanted to hear it from some other people.


Thanks
Nick
  Reply With Quote
Old 4th March 2008, 12:24 PM   #5
nhuwar is offline nhuwar  United States
diyAudio Member
 
nhuwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tomball Texas
I was wondering because I have 2 amorphous core pp trans that I am going to use in se parafeed. I figuered it had been done before just wanted to know.

How do you decide on the size of a parafeed choke to use? Im assuming it's juts reactance alone and nothing else warrants the size.

Nick
  Reply With Quote
Old 4th March 2008, 02:06 PM   #6
jlsem is offline jlsem  United States
diyAudio Member
 
jlsem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Dallas,TX
http://www.siteswithstyle.com/VoltSe...afeed_fun.html
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Output Transformer Question? Cloth Ears Tubes / Valves 9 3rd April 2007 04:37 PM
1:1 output transformer question Tyimo Solid State 31 16th January 2007 01:14 PM
Output Transformer Question 316a Tubes / Valves 3 14th June 2004 02:58 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 07:11 AM.

Page generated in 0.08337 seconds (75.32% PHP - 24.68% MySQL) with 10 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio