Inner detail, as opposed to?

[Sheldon]

I see the expression 'inner detail' tossed about frequently in audiophile circles, but wonder if it has any meaning beyond just 'detail'. Inner detail presupposes other types of detail. The most obvious would be 'outer detail'. How then does it differ from inner detail?

Sheldon

[Miles Prower]

I dunnow. It's just another attempt to describe with words an experience where words fail. How do you describe a sound? It's a lot like trying to describe "blue" to someone who's been blind since birth.

[Colt45]

Inner detail is after you smoke the crack. Normal detail is before.

[Richard Ellis]

I would suppose the detail they are refering to would be the midrange detail we seem to miss on SS gear....the subtle squeek of fingers sliding along strings on a chord change, the sigh of a trumpeter as he/she inhales for the next string of notes, the soft voices in the studio prior to the start of a recording....all those nuances that seem to be supressed(sp?) on SS gear that come to life on tube gear.
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[planet10]

I have come to associate the term "inner detail" with the more descriptive term "downward dynamic range" -- an increae in s a systems ability to reproduce small details in the music at the lowest levels of the music. A practical example is an improvement in the noise floor of a device (say by improving the power supply or by reducing the self-noise of a speaker cone) will allow you to hear stuff that was previously buried in the noise.

dave

[MJL21193]

Originally posted by Colt45
Inner detail is after you smoke the crack. Normal detail is before.

Originally posted by planet10


or by reducing the self-noise of a speaker cone) will allow you to hear stuff that was previously buried in the noise.

I'll bite. Say Dave, how do you reduce the noise that is produced by a speaker cone?

[Sheldon]

Originally posted by planet10
I have come to associate the term "inner detail" with the more descriptive term "downward dynamic range" -- an increae in s a systems ability to reproduce small details in the music at the lowest levels of the music. A practical example is an improvement in the noise floor of a device (say by improving the power supply or by reducing the self-noise of a speaker cone) will allow you to hear stuff that was previously buried in the noise.

dave

Sounds logical. At least it's a testable proposition. But from the use of the term it seems more than just an expression of dynamic range or noise floor - both easily measured, and easier to maximize in a sand amp. Is there something like perceived dynamic noise floor - the ability to hear low level sounds among louder sounds? If it's simple distortion that masks low level sounds, the perception should track with that. Or is phase preservation more important for perceiving those low level sounds?

Sheldon

[planet10]

Originally posted by MJL21193
how do you reduce the noise that is produced by a speaker cone?

Most of my experience is with paper cones where the mechanism is quite straight forward. Pape ris made of fibres. When the cone moves the rub together. Coat the driver with something that bonds the fibres on the surface layer together. I've been using puzzlecoat for 30 years. Lords BL100 & similar used by manufacturers for coated paper cones yields similar results, PE Wet look i suspect also does the same thing.

dave

[planet10]

Originally posted by Sheldon
the ability to hear low level sounds among louder sounds?

Yes -- that is a very important part.

dave

[TubeHead Johnny]

Inner detail is picking out the nuances of single instruments in a large orchestra, or hearing a group of violins as individual instruments, rather than one mass.