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Old 3rd July 2007, 01:21 PM   #1
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Exclamation Gobs of AC on ISCO 494

I've been using an old Heathkit bench supply for prototyping which is fine for 100mA or less. I have had an ISCO 494 for a year or more and other than checking the voltage indicated on the built in meter vs. my DMM I haven't used it.

Yesterday I powered it up to test it with a PP KT88 design (more mA than the Heathkit can handle) and got horrible buzzing (from the amp, not the PS). The DC voltage was a dead on match for the builtin meter reading. Out of curiosity I switched the meter to AC and found nearly the same AC voltage as DC on the output!

Anyone have experience with trouble-shooting or rebuilding these? From reading the manual I suspect some bad caps (the manual talks about "excess ripple" which I guess describes the AC on the output.
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Old 3rd July 2007, 02:59 PM   #2
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Quick update-

The meter I was using to measure the AC was faulty. With two different meters I found the AC to be much lower than I first thought but still too high for a good PS. With the voltages set for 350 I was getting 30VAC on the outputs.

I put together an external CRC filter and the hum on the amp disappeared. I also visually checked the caps inside and nothing was obviously exploded. Next step is to do a more thorough check of internal components.

The problem is I don't know how much AC ISCO allows on the outputs of these units. I didn't find it in the manual though I'll double check that as well.
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Old 3rd July 2007, 04:58 PM   #3
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Your 494 should be rock solid. 30VAC is not anywhere near correct. The manual suggests cap problems, which will be very spendy if you need to replace the big cans. You could run through the maintenance and diagnostic procedures in the manual. Be careful, as you may find 2KV inside.

Or, just get another one. Working properly, it is a very nice unit.
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Old 3rd July 2007, 05:02 PM   #4
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Thanks ethermion. I'm not up on electrophoresis standards and made a standard practice of LC filtering the output of my 494.
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Thanks for the input. I believe I downloaded the manual from a link you provided about a year ago. In any case I have it in PDF format so I'll check the diagnostics. The cursory look I had yesterday did seem to point to cap issues.

As I stated above the output is now acceptable, though with the added filter the built-in voltmeter is no longer exactly what I'm getting out. If the diagnostics indicated a cap replacement is in order and the cost is too high (I only paid about $50 for the unit) I may simply build a nicer filter into a chassis and feed through that.

This has not been my week for test equipment. First my scope's second channel went south on me, then my function generator started acting up and now this. On the other hand I now have "justification" for some new equipment!
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Just hooked up my 494 to a Fluke. At 300VDC, I get 0.15V ac. At 600VDC, I get 0.28V ac.
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Old 3rd July 2007, 10:32 PM   #7
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Wow! That's quite a difference to the 30VAC I get with it set at about 350V using a true RMS meter. Definitely something amiss in my unit. Maybe later this week I'll find the time to try and track down the issue.

The problem as you said is that the big caps get spendy and there are several of these on eBay now for about $50 each so it probably isn't worth the cost to properly repair.
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I'm not as sure. It appears all the big electrophoresis supplies have gotten very pricey. The one 494 is listed over $500 on a 'buy it now' auction. The 494 is an almost ideal box for most audio tube work and I might just bite the bullet for another 20 years' service. By then the digi-amp stuff will possibly have caught up for my by-then septuagenarian ears.
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... The 494 is an almost ideal box for most audio tube work and I might just bite the bullet for another 20 years' service. By then the digi-amp stuff will possibly have caught up for my by-then septuagenarian ears.
I have to admit being pretty impressed by the few digital amps I've heard. To my ears they sound closer to tubes than most of the solid state amps I've heard. I've been considering putting together a decent kit to compare to my slightly modded SI T-Amp. (I'd rather not tackle SMT components though. I have a hard enough time with 1/4W resistors! )
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I'm not as sure. It appears all the big electrophoresis supplies have gotten very pricey. The one 494 is listed over $500 on a 'buy it now' auction. The 494 is an almost ideal box for most audio tube work and I might just bite the bullet for another 20 years' service. By then the digi-amp stuff will possibly have caught up for my by-then septuagenarian ears.

I just put in an offer on an ISCO 494 - there are plenty of them on eBay right now for $50.00 buy it now. Question remains as to what kind of shape they are in and the shipping costs to your location in making a decision to fix one with bad caps..
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