Input impedance

nhuwar · 3rd July 2007, 12:34 AM

I'm curious what's a normal line level input z for the average tube amp? I was thinking around 15k is this a good number or to low?

Thanks

Nick

kevinkr · 3rd July 2007, 01:04 AM

Hi Nick,
Depends on what you want to use to drive it, 15K is a pretty tough load for most tube pre's excluding transformer coupled designs. Fine with solid state. I typically use 70K - 100K on power amplifier inputs, and 100K on pre-amplifier inputs. (Essentially the dc resistance of my stepped attenuators.)

Higher impedance inputs reduce the need for very large output coupling capacitors in the preceding component, both a cost and performance benefit.

mcs · 3rd July 2007, 01:08 AM

I would go with 50-100k. Old amps often had very high input impedances (250k to 1M), but with modern source equipment and preamps there's no reason to go that high.

Best regards,

Mikkel C. Simonsen

nhuwar · 3rd July 2007, 11:14 AM

It is a transformer and I think it's 15k resistance not z now that I really look at it.

Nick

valveluver · 20th July 2007, 09:41 PM

Assuming the input stage is class A, the grid resistor determines the input.

nhuwar · 20th July 2007, 09:56 PM

Nope not class a it's a driver stage in push pull. But I dont think I am going to use a transformer on the input.

Just for clarification doesn't the interstage transformer act as a phase shifter?

Nick

valveluver · 20th July 2007, 11:07 PM

Yes many amps use transformers for phase inverters.

I think you would be better off with a cathode follower driver. The transformer would degrade the low frequency performance.

nhuwar · 20th July 2007, 11:25 PM

Oh I didn't know that. I was under the impression that transformers only effected the high frequency response.

Nick

jnb · 21st July 2007, 12:02 AM

If the impedance of a winding is too low, it attenuates the lows. This is because it forms a voltage divider with the source impedance, and as the winding is an inductance its impedance falls with frequency.

nhuwar · 21st July 2007, 12:40 AM

So if the inductance of the primaray is to low I will get roll off.

Is this dependent on the inductance in relation to the driver tube anode impedence or just the inductance in relation to frequency?

Nick

3rd July 2007, 12:34 AM	#1
nhuwar diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tomball Texas	Input impedance I'm curious what's a normal line level input z for the average tube amp? I was thinking around 15k is this a good number or to low? Thanks Nick

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kevinkr diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Blog Entries: 6	Hi Nick, Depends on what you want to use to drive it, 15K is a pretty tough load for most tube pre's excluding transformer coupled designs. Fine with solid state. I typically use 70K - 100K on power amplifier inputs, and 100K on pre-amplifier inputs. (Essentially the dc resistance of my stepped attenuators.) Higher impedance inputs reduce the need for very large output coupling capacitors in the preceding component, both a cost and performance benefit. __________________ www.kta-hifi.net

3rd July 2007, 01:08 AM	#3
mcs diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Denmark	I would go with 50-100k. Old amps often had very high input impedances (250k to 1M), but with modern source equipment and preamps there's no reason to go that high. Best regards, Mikkel C. Simonsen __________________ My personal electronics website Remote control kits website

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3rd July 2007, 11:14 AM	#4
nhuwar diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tomball Texas	It is a transformer and I think it's 15k resistance not z now that I really look at it. Nick

20th July 2007, 09:41 PM	#5
valveluver diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: florida	Assuming the input stage is class A, the grid resistor determines the input.

20th July 2007, 09:56 PM	#6
nhuwar diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tomball Texas	Nope not class a it's a driver stage in push pull. But I dont think I am going to use a transformer on the input. Just for clarification doesn't the interstage transformer act as a phase shifter? Nick

20th July 2007, 11:07 PM	#7
valveluver diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: florida	Yes many amps use transformers for phase inverters. I think you would be better off with a cathode follower driver. The transformer would degrade the low frequency performance.

20th July 2007, 11:25 PM	#8
nhuwar diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tomball Texas	Oh I didn't know that. I was under the impression that transformers only effected the high frequency response. Nick

21st July 2007, 12:02 AM	#9
jnb diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2006	If the impedance of a winding is too low, it attenuates the lows. This is because it forms a voltage divider with the source impedance, and as the winding is an inductance its impedance falls with frequency.

21st July 2007, 12:40 AM	#10
nhuwar diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tomball Texas	So if the inductance of the primaray is to low I will get roll off. Is this dependent on the inductance in relation to the driver tube anode impedence or just the inductance in relation to frequency? Nick

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