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What kind of evidence do you consider as sufficient?
What kind of evidence do you consider as sufficient?
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Old Yesterday, 07:17 PM   #891
mmerrill99 is offline mmerrill99
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@Jakob, as far as I can see this thread (& others along similar lines) are populated by a group of people who have no interest in the matter (some have declared this) & whose sole intent is to disrupt, denigrate & deny, deny, deny.

It's a waste of your time & expertise to waste energy on these people - at least that's my decision.
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Old Yesterday, 07:55 PM   #892
Evenharmonics is offline Evenharmonics  United States
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Would you buy a 2 meter power cable for $1149 when the description says "spade termination" while showing an image of 3 prong plug? Of course not because it's a waste of your time & money.
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Old Yesterday, 08:19 PM   #893
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Originally Posted by scott wurcer View Post
So how do you pick the level of the positive control and why eliminate a subject that fails say a 0.2dB level change test when high frequency IM is being tested for.
Originally Posted by Jakob2 View Post
Thatīs the key point, as it is a chicken-and-egg problem. Noone of us knows if really an audible difference exists anyway, and therefore noone of us neither knows what kind of perceived difference exists nor what the physical reason might be.

That makes you "when high frequency IM is being tested for" assertion a bit strange, because we simply donīt know that.

We know, that according to our measurements and the model of hearing that we use, we conclude/predict that no difference will be audible.

Thatīs the rationale for using positive controls that require already quite good sensitivity of the listeners _under_ the _specific_ _test_ _conditions_ .

Here we go; word salad, circular deflection back to the hypothesis, and no answer to a perfectly legitimate set of questions (which I asked myself few pages ago, and more). QED.
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