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Old 6th May 2018, 12:35 AM   #21
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I'd argue that big boxes are needed for big SPL no matter what amp you got.
To quote a rapper from the early '80's - "The bigger the speakers the bigger the sound." You can't state Hoffman's iron law any more simply or clearly than that. Bose speakers do not sound "big" once you've gotten used to real bass (and clear flat response).

I too started building my own gear because of being fed up with the typical club sound. Big difference between the typical boomy chest thump sound that muddies up the entire low midrange, and the gusty, shuddering low end that you feel inside your head more than anything else - and shakes the entire concrete foundation, without seeming overly loud. You want that kind of bass you've just got to be willing to lug some big boxes.

Or have big ones in your living room, if you're just doing this at home.
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Old 6th May 2018, 04:43 AM   #22
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Funny, I used to hate Bose but not anymore. I now feel sort of stupid for hating it. I once was shopping for a set of noise canceling headphones and it seems like they make one of the best affordable ones.
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Old 6th May 2018, 07:05 AM   #23
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Fast Eddie:
I'd argue that big boxes are needed for big SPL no matter what amp you got.
I'd have to sort of agree with you. However, there are some subwoofers with very low Q and very high xmax (I think I saw 60 mm claimed once ) coupled to powerful motors that would certainly shake the foundation if driven with many hundreds of watts.

I built a pair of very large speakers when I was in high school. 15" woofers in 6 cubic foot enclosures made for the most effortless high volume sound reproduction I've ever heard. 95 dB/watt helped.

My present speakers are small and use a hard wired line level equalizer to correct the Q. They play loud with very low distortion and decent extension, but the tradeoff is that with equalization the effective efficiency is about 82 dB/watt. The woofers have generous xmax (8+mm) and magnetic shorting rings.

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Old 9th May 2018, 06:46 AM   #24
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I wondered why there didn't seem to be published response curves for the old 901

so measured my 901 Series I outdoors - front driver facing mic - then turned it around
so the 8 rear drivers were facing the mic - then put it near a house wall to get some reflected output from the rear drivers

no EQ

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Old 13th July 2018, 06:39 PM   #25
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Freddi, What year was that PWK article from?

In the mid 70s I had friends with Bose 901 series 1 speakers. Never was impressed with them. Some of the lower series speakers sounded better (501?).

I do like their Quietcomfort 15.

A lot of their stuff is way overpriced in my opinion.
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Old 13th July 2018, 07:07 PM   #26
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I've seen Bose commercial in cieling speakers with 6 " grills that use a 2 1/2" driver!!!
If that's not misleading, don't know what is.
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Old 13th July 2018, 07:47 PM   #27
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I think audiophiles hate Bose because when they meet people in daylife, they`d often mention them as good sounding and this becomes annoying. Bose is about anywhere so many have heard it and believe it is super good, when it isn`t but the mass follows the salesman and the salesman makes the most out of low cost queezed products. I have to say for the quality of parts used, Bose do really well and not many can do that. You can grab off the shelf EUR100 drivers and build something that will sound good but doing the same with units that would cost EUR20 per kilogram is a different story. Most of the mass brands like Harman, Bose and so on have really good engineering units in my opinion, far more advanced than 99.9% of the diy-ers even with decades of experience.
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Old 13th July 2018, 07:51 PM   #28
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Found the full article from 1970.
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Old 14th July 2018, 02:35 AM   #29
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Old 14th July 2018, 08:42 AM   #30
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I 'hate' Bose simply because it sounds odd.

I've listened to 901s in a movie theatre and the sound didn't present as natural. Those little boxes (fit in the hand) with the bass boxes are much loved by architectural types who say it is fantastic, but all I hear is gluggy bass and overly pronounced mid-range. (He was very competitive at golf too, where I'm not, but I wouldn't let him beat me that day. Played my best ever round to wipe the smile off his smug face.)

The best of the brand I've heard were 301s years ago but I wasn't very discerning those years ago either. I don't remember ever hearing Bose in a back-to-back comparison either; possibly (probably) fear of being compared to half-decent speakers.
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