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Old Yesterday, 01:35 PM   #591
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Even in the US it is not uncommon to find several different non compatible parts used in the same vehicle of the same year.

Sometimes a popular car, engine, transmission, or other major component will be made in two different factories sometimes in two different countries. Even a parts counter guy in a major chain store may not know which part actually fits your car. Its likely that the radiator was sourced locally to wherever the car was made, hence the different fitting.

It took me several years to figure out that a 1999 Volvo V70 made in Sweden is NOT the same as a 1999 Volvo V70 made in Belgium. Mine was Belgian. Things like starter motors and sensors tend to be often different.

Often a single sourced vehicle may have gone through a "running change" sometime during its model year. We did this at work in an electronics manufacturing plant when a cheaper, or better part became available or sometimes just because a vendor pi$$ed us off, or the other way around.

I had a 1973 GMC van and needed a starter. Every one of the different starters listed for a 1973 GMC or Chevrolet van did not fit my engine. I asked the parts guy to look up a 1974 van and the starter was indeed different, and fit my van. They changed the mounting bracket sometime during the 1973 build year and the documentation didn't get updated until 1974.

This stuff happens with cars, electronics, and lots more stuff. Those of us who fixed tube type TV sets in the late 60's and early 70's will remember how many times the manufacturers own service manual didn't match the TV. I worked in a "Philco Authorized" shop. Philco was owned by Ford Motor Company at the time. Most of the TV sets were actually sold in Firestone Tire stores. We would get service books every year for all the new TV's. Every month or two we would get "bulletins" and "change updates" for all the stuff that changed during the past month or two. The independent shops were on their own, as were the independent parts stores.

I retired from a 41 year engineering career at Motorola. We did a good job of documenting our high $$$ police and public safety radios for large customers and Motorola owned shops. Even so, it took a month or two for the running changes to get out to the field, and none were released to non Motorola shops.

I'm sure the same thing happens in the automotive market. Ebay and it's independent sellers are way down the documentation food chain. You can't blame the sellers for this.
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Yes.
but on 2 wheels, 1+:1 power:weight for the 1/8 / 1/4 and flying mile.
one is a 900cc turbo petrol and the other 1280cc blown alkehol OR petrol

Strangely, we slap plugs in and they get melted.... maybe aligning them to a satellite would help?
Both have very rude names and are road legal.
You are going lean. I have turbo'ed car engines to almost 27psi. No melted pistons.... But they were forged alum alloy... strengthened rods... everything. But lean will melt anything. If in high boost..... add water/meth 50-50 injection to it to keep the temp just under melt-down. You can tell with a thermal couple in the exhaust manifold near the head as possible.



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Old Yesterday, 06:26 PM   #593
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You can't blame the sellers for this.
Yeah The trouble is that my car was made in the very last days of the model run, dare I say right up to the cutoff date and it was probably hanging around on the car lot until 1999 as an unsold car as the newer model was being sold. But even so, even then going to a brick and mortar store and giving them a fake date will end up in the errornous year, it will end up in a part intended for the XV20 chassis despite that same database listing the part as intending for the XV10 chassis. If you type "Camry Vienta 1995 XV10" into their database you will get a part intended for the XV20 chassis camry made from 1997-1999. And I've seen this myself, its not the clerks fault, in fact the guy that I go to is a master mechanic he laughed when I went in yesterday because the database came up with some really weird part that doesn't fit at all.


The problem I think might be the fact that the americans have a 1MZ-FE engine in the XV10 chassis and have had that from 92-95 and that crosspollination of the US and AU/Asian database is whats causing a lot of problems. But that doesn't excuse the fact that its still difficult finding a part for an Australian made Ford Falcon that has NEVER been exported from the country. Its just bad database upkeep if you ask me.



I think I'll just buy parts off ebay if I have the Toyota part number handy from now on. That works perfectly fine for me. And for whatever I don't have part numbers for I'll go to a brick and mortar store and compare it to the photos in their database. I literally have to lean over the bench and ask them if I can look at their screen before I buy a part because my car is so kooky and their database is so errornous.

The actual model number on mine is VCV10R with the XV10 widebody chassis. But if you tap that into ANY database online or into any buisness around here its like my car doesn't even exist at all in any of them. Even if you narrow it down to 3VZ-FE engine with the A540E chassis you will still get parts intended for the XV20 chassis with the 1MZ-FE alloy block engine.

I literally had a guy roll up in a van the other day with glass meant to fit my mums camry which is the XV20 chassis intending for it to fit on my XV10 chassis camry. This is also not the first time I've had problems with finding parts on ebay, its been 6 times so far over the last 10 years that I've had problems finding parts for cars on ebay. Even inputting the engine model number and chassis type won't get you the right part, and the WORST part, they use a stock photo on their listings and the part that you receive is often not what the picture looks like.


So ebay sellers are NOT blameless, nobody is, even brick and mortar stores. What I'm saying is that the database is poor quality AND the ebay sellers don't even want to help out by giving us pictures of the actual parts.

You would think that at the very least they would check the database at least once and clear up any errors and save people some time. But its easier for them to continue to waste time for everyone than it is to just check their database once, or even offer suggestions to a pool and then by popular vote get the database modified.


But I'm not even concerned, I'm not pissed, nothing like that, because I have plenty of spare time available. I'm just concerned about everyone else who don't have the time and resources to do all of this running around. Or the money to be paying for return shipping on items that don't fit. Like me currently.
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finding a part for an Australian made Ford Falcon that has NEVER been exported
The Australian Falcon may have not been exported but is is similar to several different Ford products carrying different names in the US. The older (60's) Falcons in your world look identical to the Falcons sold here. Some of the 70's flavors look like cars branded Mustang, Torino or Maverick in the US, depending on year. The later cars look like Ford Fusions currently sold here. I'm sure there are differences, especially with our unique emissions and safety laws, but under the skin they probably share a lot. Ford has done a lot to consolidate car lines all over the world for no other reason than saving money.

The US Ford Focus was a totally different car than the version sold all over the rest of the world until the current generation. Now they are all very similar. The European Focus was never sold here except for the turbo 5 cylinder Volvo C30 version which didn't sell well here despite being a rocket ship on wheels....with a little tweaking on the boost.

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You are going lean. I have turbo'ed car engines to almost 27psi. No melted pistons...... But lean will melt anything.......add water/meth 50-50 injection
I melted several head gaskets and a few spark plug electrodes. One of my buddies got his piston crown so hot that he pushed the top ring down to the second ring (colapsed ring lands). He fried a few other parts too. It was one bad injector that caused one cylinder to run lean.

I ran plain water injection.......note to rookies plumb this into the system AFTER the intercooler. I used a Volkswagen fuel pump and a fuel injector for the water system. Use distilled water to avoid mineral deposits. As RNMarsh stated adding some methanol will boost the octane a bit more over plain water.

Another trick is to use an injector to spray water over the intercooler core when the boost goes over a certain threshold. I used 10 PSI so that the system never activated in "normal" street driving. It works wonders on a cool dry day, and so - so in the hot Florida summer.
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This is how "helpful" ebay sellers are here at least:
*TOP QUALITY* Alternator For Toyota Vienta Vcv10r 3.0l 3vz-fe, | eBay
Recommends: DXA422

OEX Alternator 12V 70A Suits Denso DXA539 | eBay
Recommends: DXA539

*TOP QUALITY* Alternator For Toyota Vienta Vcv10r 3.0l 3vz-fe! | eBay
Recommends: DXA540


And when you go to the manufacturer website?
Home - OEX


No catalog available for download.


So in order to buy an alternator online I have to trundle on down to a place that sells alternators with my old alternator in tow and get them to sift through their paper catalog from oex in order to find the right part. Then rudely tell them that no, I don't want to buy it from them and that I'll buy it online.


I'm going to contact oex to get a copy of their catalog. But I shouldn't have to and I may not be able to if I'm not a business.
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rudely tell them that no, I don't want to buy it from them
You politely say that you can't afford it now, you will look for a used or rebuilt one and maybe come back later when you have the money.....of course look the part when you do that....Don't show up in a Mercedes and expensive clothes and try to argue price.

I don't know the situation in Australia, but here we have junkyards, recycling centers or whatever you want to call the place where they drag all the wrecked, damaged or otherwise irreparable or unwanted cars to. These come in two kinds, those with a parts counter and they will pull the part for you, and those that will let you wander the yard, find what you want, and pull it yourself.

Both have a big book called the Hollander Interchange Manual. It lists all flavors of a particular part ever seen in your car, and all other cars that have been seen with the same part. They assign a Hollander Interchange number to that part, and some Ebay sellers post that number:

Hollander Interchange: The Best Tool for the Right Part

The books aren't cheap, but valuable info if you make friends with a junkyard operator that has one. A friend who raced cars managed to buy an old one from a junkyard.

After buying the turbo engine out of a wrecked 1984 Dodge Daytona for building my hot rod 1982 Charger, I had access to such a book in that junkyard, and run of the yard to shop for parts. Sometimes I could match up what I needed with something found in the book, then go buy it from a car dealership.....

For example there never was a fuel injected 1982 Charger, but there was an injected 1985 Charger. The book yielded the fact that the gas tanks were the same for both years, and the only difference between the years was the in tank fuel pump / gauge sender assembly. None of these cars were in the junkyard, so I had to buy the part from the dealership. A friend in a repair shop with a parts account at a local car dealership can save you about half the price on new replacement parts. That's where I got the $18 timing belts.
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