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Old 13th February 2017, 05:22 AM   #1
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Are these devices going to actually do any good? Or is it just invasion of privacy and or a health risk?

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Old 13th February 2017, 06:08 AM   #2
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> Are these devices going to actually do any good? Or is it just invasion of privacy and or a health risk?

_I_ love them.

I do not think they are a health issue. Certainly the "smart" power is far tinier than the RAW power I need to run my lights and sound.

I *never* see a meter-reader. (Once, just after I bought the house.) Yet yesterday's consumption was available on the website. (Until the company was bought and the website fouled-up.) I assume the data is transmitted somewhere somehow, similar to cellphones. For system reasons, the meter can't be transmitting all the time.

No monthly "snoop". Not that I care: those old readers musta seen stranger things than my house.

Also it *appears* that the electric company now knows the full extent of power outages in a very few minutes.
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Old 13th February 2017, 06:29 AM   #3
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I have no knowledge at all of the US system but if they do it like it is done here chances are likely that the new kWh meters can't count back. The mechanical ones can rev CCW so when energy is fed back to the grid (if you have solar panels and an inverter) the meter was distracting instead of adding. Of course this also meant that self produced energy was worth just as much as the bought energy

Corporations don't want that, stock holders and foreign company owners must see high profits and the money should flow through a diode in their direction Thank you globalisation. Stock holders have another idea when "green" is mentioned. The complete solar panel industry and way of execution is just a large money making scheme.

* Here no one sees any positive thing in these so companies try to make them popular by offering smart thermostats for house heating that also can be connected to the smart kWh meter. This way just one smart room thermostat gives insight in natural gas and electricity usage on a nice display. One then also connects to the web and can compare ones own energy usage with other houses in the neighbourhood, try to lower energy usage (futile). All added features that a person with more than 2 brain cells can do without. If one refuses the smart kWh meter the company can not do a thing. Especially farmers with roofs full of mechanical meters are quite stubborn.
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Old 13th February 2017, 06:32 AM   #4
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Are you going to give up your smartphone, wifi, TV, radio, household electricity, and mobile home phone too?

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"even as people are developing “electro-sensitivity”?
As soon as I see something like this, I know nutbaggery is about.
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Old 13th February 2017, 06:34 AM   #5
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Here a counter reason to NOT want them is the security which seems to be outdated and easy to manipulate. It also is costcutting as the former meter checker now is jobless.

I hope anyone sees that the supposed negative effects of the smart kWh meters sending RF/radio waves is just a smoke curtain to cover up their real drawbacks. It makes no sense to start about this while everyone has a smart phone, wireless router etc. and uses those every day.

One can expect anything from companies that exist in a symbiotic relationship with those regulating it
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Old 13th February 2017, 09:41 AM   #6
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Old 13th February 2017, 10:04 AM   #7
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Electricity companies like smart meters because they pave the way for variable tariffs, so the generation costs (which vary from hour to hour) can be passed on to the customer. In extreme cases it makes it easier to shed load, either deliberately or accidentally. They also mean that all the meter readers can be sacked.

Politicians like smart meters because they believe that they can convince people that they will lead to cheaper power. They won't - well, not enough of a saving to pay for the meters.

My guess is that the main fans of smart meters are the people who make smart meters, and the 'consultants' who have managed to convince everyone else that they are a good thing.

The consumer is paying for the smart meters in his electricity bill whether he has one or not. In the UK the consumer can choose whether to have a smart meter or not, but he cannot choose whether to pay for it or not.

I have a smart meter, because the house I moved into already had one. It gives misleading information: what it describes as 'previous 12 months power' is actually 'previous 11 whole calendar months plus current month to date'. Similarly, 'previous 7 days' is actually 'previous 6 days plus current day usage'.

My concern about smart meters is how much interference they create, and how much interference they can cope with - I am a radio ham, although currently inactive. Those making a fuss about health are just being silly.
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Old 13th February 2017, 10:13 AM   #8
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Actually for the UK its far more basic than that. We need to cut electricity consumption by a few percent to avoid brown outs as we are short generating capacity. That is the entire value of smart meters. It just took a decade for them to admit it.

Whether it will achieve that is of course up to end users.
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Old 13th February 2017, 11:15 AM   #9
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Having been involved in the kafka-esque horse designed by a committee process that led to the alleged smart meters we have in the UK, even the government agencies admit in private that smart metering will at best contribute 2-3% reduction.
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Old 13th February 2017, 11:26 AM   #10
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From what I have read there is no data to support the initial claim of 4% energy savings. Also as mentioned most people with a smart meter notice an increase in their bill, not a decrease.

I don't know about health risks unless maybe someone is in close proximity to a whole bank of them.

I do worry about RF pollution if every house is fitted with them.

I also see people's claims that the SMPS in these are polluting the grid.

I am sure the reasons they are being installed are for the companies making them to cash in for the time being and as mentioned not have to pay someone to go out and read the meter so it kills seomes job just like the self checkout at stores.

I am still trying to read and sort through data to determine what is going on.

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