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Old 9th March 2013, 08:15 PM   #21
Cassiel is offline Cassiel  Libya
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Life is not that simple. Wise people sometimes talk nonsense. Fools sometimes (accidentally?) talk sense.

The way to tell whether someone is wise or a fool is to correct them when they talk nonsense. The wise man will thank you. The fool will insult you. (King Solomon said something vaguely similar to this, a long long time ago.)
Right. I think mr_push_pull is worried about people being dishonest or to say it in other words, people who talk like a crap salesman with a mouth full of samples. I don't see that kind of behavior here but then, I don't read all the threads. I remember some problems with a Chinese seller but apart from that...I think time puts everyone in their place which is an old Spanish saying. If you spend enough time here you learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Old 9th March 2013, 08:37 PM   #22
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What I see in many forums is the requirement that anyone with industry affiliations clearly identify themselves with a suffix to their IDs or with a disclosing signature.
The difference is, this is a technical forum. You get technical questions. You answer them using data, plausibility arguments from first principles, simulation, or handwaving. It's usually pretty clear which you're doing. It's different in that way from non-technical "audiophile" forums, where people don't get hard questions (or have rules in place that don't allow them). "Industry affiliation" is, to me, an amazingly fuzzy concept here- if you do chip design, are you an "industry affiliate"?
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Old 10th March 2013, 04:43 PM   #23
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The difference is, this is a technical forum. You get technical questions. You answer them using data, plausibility arguments from first principles, simulation, or handwaving. It's usually pretty clear which you're doing. It's different in that way from non-technical "audiophile" forums, where people don't get hard questions (or have rules in place that don't allow them). "Industry affiliation" is, to me, an amazingly fuzzy concept here- if you do chip design, are you an "industry affiliate"?
That is not my argument as I do agree that the arguments must stand on their own, regardless of the credentials of the writer. I was responding to an expressed interest in identification/affiliation because of a perception that some might be misled by posts cloaking a commercial interest.

Actually, I was not suggesting a generic label of "Industry Affiliate" but more specific labels, such as "chip designer" as a simple and benign alternative to making lists.
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I'm not sure I follow you. Could you give me an example? Feel free to make up names.

I've certainly seen dishonest arguments used here, but they get gutted pretty quickly- the nature of distributed peer review, in a sense.
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Old 10th March 2013, 05:04 PM   #25
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so no public list I guess
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Old 10th March 2013, 05:08 PM   #26
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I'm not sure I follow you. Could you give me an example? Feel free to make up names.

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Cap Lover
Electrode replacer
Physics affiliate
Meccano master
Temporary imbecile
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And VIP member of the valves make money squad.

Sorry can't resist..

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Old 10th March 2013, 05:16 PM   #27
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so no public list I guess
All joking aside,

Do you think "Famous"<<<or other might have enough of having to be deadly serious. Would it put people off commenting in a casual fashion for interest or just to help someone. Isn't that the point of the username to hide (If people want to be anonymous)..

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Old 10th March 2013, 05:18 PM   #28
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The question then becomes what of the person who makes up a title to give their argument more weight? This would be the equivalent on a mechanical engineering forum to someone claiming to be a mechanical engineer and giving advice that is used to do something that could be dangerous due to the receiver of the information taking the advice as fact, when it could only be an opinion.

By the time someone may realize or may never realize the information is faulty the damage is done. It is better to understand that much information is only opinion, unless it is acknowledged that someone has some professional background and will stand behind their statements as fact. Let the listener beware, keep an open mind but question everything, look for confirmation before belief.
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Old 10th March 2013, 05:21 PM   #29
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I agree,

The next step is to put copies of qualifications on the user profile to stop fraud..

So how does this help..

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Old 10th March 2013, 05:22 PM   #30
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for instance when industry people are involved I see less of the amp rolling or cap swapping craze.
in a forum with hundreds of thousands of posts one needs criteria of selection. studies have shown that often simpler metrics give incredibly good results.
and I have no problem with keeping the list to myself
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