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Old 20th February 2015, 10:56 PM   #17781
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Could be a typing error of the brochure printer, accidently took the 8 for a 6.
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Old 21st February 2015, 12:08 AM   #17782
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Could be a typing error of the brochure printer, accidently took the 8 for a 6.
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Old 21st February 2015, 01:36 AM   #17783
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My point was very far from DNA. It was how does a cluster of a new anything become the 7 billion we are today. I can do all the study I want as no one as far as I know wants to take that question on. To my way of thinking humans are so ill fitted to life on Earth that without perhaps 100 viable examples already 14 years old neither the skills nor gene pool exist for a further generation. ...
What does this mean? Sexual Reproduction, among many others, voraciously creates diversity, humans are exquisitely fitted to life on Earth and intimately connected to the rest of the primates ...

The rest of your questions are covered by Human evolution.

Again, this is a deep and broad Science studied by tens of thousands worldwide and ... you think you've got the ... wrench-in-gears












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Old 21st February 2015, 02:07 AM   #17784
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...or electrostatic for Helmholtz
Maybe a case of the wrong whistle-blower.
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Old 21st February 2015, 03:43 AM   #17785
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Yes, indeed, it is one of those miracles of evolution that those naturally predisposed to protect the community through a military carreer and are thus most likely to die young, are also those least likely to procreate if nature still had its way.
Can't help but paraphrase G.S. Patton, "Wars aren't won by dying for your community. They're won by getting the other poor bastard to die for his."
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Old 21st February 2015, 09:08 AM   #17786
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Can't help but paraphrase G.S. Patton, "Wars aren't won by dying for your community. They're won by getting the other poor bastard to die for his."
Indeed. That's how my clan gets the upper hand over your clan, and my genes prevail over yours.
Better yet, if I rape your women, my genes get an additional edge over yours.
May not look like it but still all easily explained by evolution theory.

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Old 21st February 2015, 11:13 AM   #17787
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What does this mean? Sexual Reproduction, among many others, voraciously creates diversity, humans are exquisitely fitted to life on Earth and intimately connected to the rest of the primates ...

The rest of your questions are covered by Human evolution.

Again, this is a deep and broad Science studied by tens of thousands worldwide and ... you think you've got the ... wrench-in-gears


Not true. Without a family humans will do less well than nearly any another animal ( all surely except Kangaroo's etc ). You all need to do farming to understand this. The fact we have survived is proof we survived and not our excellence in survival skills. Nearly all humans are totally unsuited to real life before the age of 14 and I had no thought of reproduction when saying that. If you don't see that I am at a bit of a loss. What I do see is a colective denial. When I say to Colleen about food she doesn't want to know, she eats more meat than me. I never had a problem killing something I eat and I am very skilled at it. I don't enjoy it, I enjoy ebven less asking someone to do it for me. One must not cause pain, for a start it ruins the food. This disconnection runs through everything. I will tell you something very simple. If most here tried to live off of the land many would be dead before Christmas. Trust me it is not easy. I wouldn't give you any tools. You would do what cavemen did. I would take your clothes away, Do that in April so you have a chance. You would not be anywhere near other humans. The test would be fair and similar to 50 000 years ago. I 80% suspect I would fail this test even though I might be the best here to have a chance.

No wonder soceity is braking down when people have no REAL concept of family or farming. Humans have no chance without a familly. They are natures chocolate screwdrivers. Big brains and naughty ones at that. Brains do not make families. Families make families ( that's not touchy feely, it's the maths of it ). That's where I started. In the philosophical debate of Chicken or Egg it has to be Chicken. Where I did see a possibility was a mass mutation that can make a big cluster of humans. The mothering skills of many hairy primates was enough as they then had a family. A virus as the likely reason for a mass DNA change. This type of event happened many times. If you go back far enough the animal may not need much of a family. This to me is a reasonable possiliity. Next we have to debate why these babies were not killed? For me that would be where I don't trust the idea. This might say why viruses exist. Otherwise what it their function? As most people beleive life is a perpetual motion machine which self invents the virus would self invent itself. Why not if all other things commonly beleived are true?

All I intend is to get people to question evolution. It is a great sceince, but like an iceburg shows only the tip. Like Newton and Einstein. Newton was the bit we saw first.



The virus DNA thuing would show why there are not fossils of the progression. After the special flu had passed the mothers would have had the usual type of baby. As with humans brought up with Wolves ( they have existed outside of the stories of Rome ). Predudice of animals against unique types might have driven the mutants to seek there own type ? If so I suspect there were 100 's. That almost holds up. If in the next 20 years someone on TV proves this please remember I said it. To me what we have now is a Flat Earth theory.

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Old 21st February 2015, 11:17 AM   #17788
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This paper reports the development of a low-power electrostatic microthruster based-on Helmholtz resonance. This fluidic resonance phenomenon is utilized to create high-speed jets of air for thrust generation. The microthruster contains a curved-electrode (~8.8 mum deep) and provides high force to, and large deflection of a vibrating membrane thus resulting in twice higher thrust performance than previously reported devices with a flat-electrode design. The out-of-plane curved electrode is formed on a silicon wafer through the controlled buckling of stressed thin films of oxide, poly silicon, and nitride. The fabricated device contains 25 microthrusters, has a footprint of 1.6 times1.6 times 0.1 cm3 , and weighs about 0.35 g. It operates using a 140 V and 70 kHz sinusoidal signal and produces: 1) thrust of 55.6 muN, 2) maximum air velocity of 1.2 m/s, and 3) average velocity of 1.0 m/s across the whole chip. The average power consumption of the 25 micro thruster array is 3.1 mW. The generated jet was visualized by pumping ethanol clouds into a vertical gas stream up to 12 cm.

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Dejan it does come into it. Could be Walker did say it ? I know of Helholtz coils.
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Old 21st February 2015, 11:54 AM   #17789
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Not true. Without a family humans will do less well than nearly any another animal ( all surely except Kangaroo's etc ).
Or any social animal. Ant, termite, hyena, elephant take your pick.

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rust me it is not easy. I wouldn't give you any tools. You would do what cavemen did. I would take your clothes away, Do that in April so you have a chance. You would not be anywhere near other humans. The test would be fair and similar to 50 000 years ago.
No it wouldn't. Social groups existed 50,000 years ago. try and come up with a fair test.
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All I intend is to get people to question evolution. It is a great sceince, but like an iceburg shows only the tip. Like Newton and Einstein. Newton was the bit we saw first.
Evolution is a THEORY not a science. It is a theory that fits well with the available data.
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The virus DNA thuing would show why there are not fossils of the progression.
Plenty of evidence of viral DNA in all animal DNA. but nothing to support your ideas. And the available data of the evolution of homo sapiens does not match either.
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Old 21st February 2015, 11:59 AM   #17790
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Not true. Without a family humans will do less well than nearly any another animal ( all surely except Kangaroo's etc ). You all need to do farming to understand this. The fact we have survived is proof we survived and not our excellence in survival skills. Nearly all humans are totally unsuited to real life before the age of 14 and I had no thought of reproduction when saying that. If you don't see that I am at a bit of a loss. What I do see is a colective denial. When I say to Colleen about food she doesn't want to know, she eats more meat than me. I never had a problem killing something I eat and I am very skilled at it. I don't enjoy it, I enjoy ebven less asking someone to do it for me. One must not cause pain, for a start it ruins the food. This disconnection runs through everything. I will tell you something very simple. If most here tried to live off of the land many would be dead before Christmas. Trust me it is not easy. I wouldn't give you any tools. You would do what cavemen did. I would take your clothes away, Do that in April so you have a chance. You would not be anywhere near other humans. The test would be fair and similar to 50 000 years ago. I 80% suspect I would fail this test even though I might be the best here to have a chance.

No wonder soceity is braking down when people have no REAL concept of family or farming. Humans have no chance without a familly. They are natures chocolate screwdrivers. Big brains and naughty ones at that. Brains do not make families. Families make families ( that's not touchy feely, it's the maths of it ). That's where I started. In the philosophical debate of Chicken or Egg it has to be Chicken. Where I did see a possibility was a mass mutation that can make a big cluster of humans. The mothering skills of many hairy primates was enough as they then had a family. A virus as the likely reason for a mass DNA change. This type of event happened many times. If you go back far enough the animal may not need much of a family. This to me is a reasonable possiliity. Next we have to debate why these babies were not killed? For me that would be where I don't trust the idea. This might say why viruses exist. Otherwise what it their function? As most people beleive life is a perpetual motion machine which self invents the virus would self invent itself. Why not if all other things commonly beleived are true?

All I intend is to get people to question evolution. It is a great sceince, but like an iceburg shows only the tip. Like Newton and Einstein. Newton was the bit we saw first.



The virus DNA thuing would show why there are not fossils of the progression. After the special flu had passed the mothers would have had the usual type of baby. As with humans brought up with Wolves ( they have existed outside of the stories of Rome ). Predudice of animals against unique types might have driven the mutants to seek there own type ? If so I suspect there were 100 's. That almost holds up. If in the next 20 years someone on TV proves this please remember I said it. To me what we have now is a Flat Earth theory.

The quote did this. most is mine . Nigel
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Social and family structures are ingrained in much of Nature and especially in mammals and primates

Social and family structures, environment manipulation, domestication, viruses, viral transmission of DNA, etc... are all part of Evolution and DNA. They only make sense and fall together into a big picture within Evolution.

???

There is no mysterious 'break with nature' or 'great survival' that desperately needs to be explained, let alone troublesome to the Theory.

Again, Primate Evolution has a large body of solid science that understands, explores, models, explains and utilizes the very issues you've touched on.

Incredulity or unfamiliarity isn't an argument.



From your last quote I can see that you have some political hobbyhorse ... from experience, that means I'm now done wasting my time.

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