Remember the schooldays when the Lab assistant brought in those black lungs in a jar to help the prof dissuade you from smoking?
I'm sure they are my lungs. I don't cough, I smoke filtered cigs,...I have smoked since I was 15. I smoke 20 a day.
I am 51 and I choose to smoke. Spain has just cried..Public places - No Smoking!!
I remember skiing in Vail, California in the 1980s when the local Mayor imposed No Smoking outside!!!! We laughed then. We don't laugh now.
I feel ostracised from the community when I go socialising.
Should I be????????????????????
I'm sure they are my lungs. I don't cough, I smoke filtered cigs,...I have smoked since I was 15. I smoke 20 a day.
I am 51 and I choose to smoke. Spain has just cried..Public places - No Smoking!!
I remember skiing in Vail, California in the 1980s when the local Mayor imposed No Smoking outside!!!! We laughed then. We don't laugh now.
I feel ostracised from the community when I go socialising.
Should I be????????????????????
If 'drug' is redefined to mean anything addictive, then the winner is neither of the above. Its money, fiat currency. But that's OT.
Ostracised? No.
Some kinds of pressure don't make it any easier to give up.
I stopped smoking tobacco about 3 years ago. A friend of mine has serious emphysema, I wanted to express some solidarity.
Last year I was diagnosed with lung cancer; oddly enough, not the kind that's associated with smoking. Now I'm in remission.
I gave up smoking dope too after the surgery, although the risks aren't as clearly defined as they are for tobacco, but I miss it in a way I don't miss the cigarettes. Every now and then I cook some up and eat it. My wife has stopped smoking now too.
Most people need a bit of a distraction every now and then from the rigors of life, there's no point in beating yourself up about it. You should stop though if you can, and if you smoke dope use a vapouriser. There's no doubt that tobacco has a long-term impact on your health, and if you meet somebody with severe emphysema you'll realise that it's not dying of smoking that's the problem, it's living with the consequences.
w
Some kinds of pressure don't make it any easier to give up.
I stopped smoking tobacco about 3 years ago. A friend of mine has serious emphysema, I wanted to express some solidarity.
Last year I was diagnosed with lung cancer; oddly enough, not the kind that's associated with smoking. Now I'm in remission.
I gave up smoking dope too after the surgery, although the risks aren't as clearly defined as they are for tobacco, but I miss it in a way I don't miss the cigarettes. Every now and then I cook some up and eat it. My wife has stopped smoking now too.
Most people need a bit of a distraction every now and then from the rigors of life, there's no point in beating yourself up about it. You should stop though if you can, and if you smoke dope use a vapouriser. There's no doubt that tobacco has a long-term impact on your health, and if you meet somebody with severe emphysema you'll realise that it's not dying of smoking that's the problem, it's living with the consequences.
w
I think pressure in general will only make it harder to give up. People react - that's one of the laws of thermodynamics at work: 'If a constraint is placed upon a system...'
I used to smoke a LOT and I stopped in November 2008. You know why I remember it was November 2008? Because I still Jones. So I can see both sides. Yes it is stupid to smoke. There is no rational argument that can be made for smoking. But no there should not be laws against it or any other drug. Personally I love second hand smoke and I encourage people to smoke around me but I can understand why many people do not want to be around it. I think banning outdoor smoking is going too far though. I do not really see how that can hurt anybody besides the smokers. Also private businesses should be able to decide if they want to allow smoking or not. If you own a bar and you want to smoke in it you should be able to. If you want to allow others to smoke in it you should be able to also. I could see having to put up a sign that says "Smoking goes on here" so the people who don't want to be exposed to second hand smoke will know before they enter.
I think the pressure made it easier for me to quit. Having to go hours at a time without smoking when I had to made it easier for me than it would have been when I didn't have to. When I started smoking I could smoke all day and all night everywhere I ever went with very few exceptions. By the time I started trying to quit there were few places I was allowed to smoke anyway.
I think the pressure made it easier for me to quit. Having to go hours at a time without smoking when I had to made it easier for me than it would have been when I didn't have to. When I started smoking I could smoke all day and all night everywhere I ever went with very few exceptions. By the time I started trying to quit there were few places I was allowed to smoke anyway.
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New York city just passed a similar law. With this , the precedent will be set - what we wear , what we eat , what propaganda we must watch. smoking is bad , but this is not the point ... ALL will be decided for us , we can not save ourselves .. we need big brother to save us.
No farting , no looking , be the same or be in jail.
OS
After I stopped smoking my blood pressure came down. It is still high but not as high. What that means exactly besides less chance of heart attack is less damage to your kidneys which means you will be older before you need dialysis and that is a great thing. Taking as few as possible asperin, ibupropen tylenol and stuff like that will help save your kidneys too. I used to take those every time I got a headache but now I only do when the headache is so bad I can't stand it. Actually while I can't say for sure about every single prescription and over the counter drug I believe that it is true for all or most of them. If you don't really need them don't take them. Hard pure drugs don't hurt your kidneys but the lame stuff does. A doctor told me that. He said pure heroin is not bad for your kidneys. Some drugs are metabolized in the kidneys and some in the liver. Alcohol is metabolized in the liver.
What caused me to become aware of that was a friend dying from taking too much Advil. It was not an overdose but the accumulated effect on his kidneys from doing them all the time.
I take medication to control my blood pressure and I know it is eating up my kidneys so I am doing my best to bring it down but until I do I will keep taking the medication because it is probably the lesser of two evils. At least I hope it is. One of the drugs I took for 6 years (I take 2 different ones) was taken off of the market last week. I have been putting off looking up exactly why but I will at some point. Probably kidney damage even worse than other drugs would be my guess. The drug is called Avalide.
What caused me to become aware of that was a friend dying from taking too much Advil. It was not an overdose but the accumulated effect on his kidneys from doing them all the time.
I take medication to control my blood pressure and I know it is eating up my kidneys so I am doing my best to bring it down but until I do I will keep taking the medication because it is probably the lesser of two evils. At least I hope it is. One of the drugs I took for 6 years (I take 2 different ones) was taken off of the market last week. I have been putting off looking up exactly why but I will at some point. Probably kidney damage even worse than other drugs would be my guess. The drug is called Avalide.
That definitly wasn't the thrust of the rules here. They were made so that people who didn't smoke, didn't get exposure from those who did. I get nauseous from even a little tabacco smoke. I sure don't miss being acosted by it.
dave
A complete smoking ban in places of work was introduced in the UK a few years ago so now the amount of stubs discarded onto the street outside anywhere people work has gone through the roof. It is disgusting; I watch smokers quite casually flick a still lit stub straight out onto a street without a care in the world. This is a direct consequence of the law about smoking in places of work. It is draconian and short sighted and unfair to those who quite legally buy tobacco. Keep the smokers inside in a designated area for them I say where the air can be filtered in a controlled manner.
Should you feel ostracised...? I'll say maybe. And here's why:
I quit smoking maybe nine months ago. I have been smoking for ten years or so, not heavily, but regularly. Even though there are moments where I miss the idea(!) of a cigarette, I never look back. Every single aspect of my life has majorly improved. (imagine the sentence repeated slowly once or twice)
My skin may be less dry and I get pimples every now and then, but that's about the only drawback.
What is unbelievable though, and it baffles me every single day again and again, is how bad cigarettes really smell. I may be more sensible to smells now, but the smell of a cigarette is like the smell of sour ***. Smoking makes any place and any surface greasy, sticky and stained. The smell of the cigarette butts on the ground is an insult too. I now honestly enjoy going to non-smoker bars (most bars in Austria now are required to at least have such areas), everything is cleaner, the hair and skin doesn't smell, and, another plus, I hereby claim that two thirds of a hangover's headache stem from smoking. The list goes on and on.
In my eyes, smoking is has no recreational benefit whatsoever and I no longer understand why people smoke.
The days of smoking are numbered, and the public tolerance towards it is declining. Teleology demands that it ceases. Sooner or later we have to accept it.
You can argue that this is another dictate by the governments, and that their interest is solely in maintaining the health of their subjugated workforce, and that you're free to choose and whatnot, but in the end it still smells like raunchy ***.
I quit smoking maybe nine months ago. I have been smoking for ten years or so, not heavily, but regularly. Even though there are moments where I miss the idea(!) of a cigarette, I never look back. Every single aspect of my life has majorly improved. (imagine the sentence repeated slowly once or twice)
My skin may be less dry and I get pimples every now and then, but that's about the only drawback.
What is unbelievable though, and it baffles me every single day again and again, is how bad cigarettes really smell. I may be more sensible to smells now, but the smell of a cigarette is like the smell of sour ***. Smoking makes any place and any surface greasy, sticky and stained. The smell of the cigarette butts on the ground is an insult too. I now honestly enjoy going to non-smoker bars (most bars in Austria now are required to at least have such areas), everything is cleaner, the hair and skin doesn't smell, and, another plus, I hereby claim that two thirds of a hangover's headache stem from smoking. The list goes on and on.
In my eyes, smoking is has no recreational benefit whatsoever and I no longer understand why people smoke.
The days of smoking are numbered, and the public tolerance towards it is declining. Teleology demands that it ceases. Sooner or later we have to accept it.
You can argue that this is another dictate by the governments, and that their interest is solely in maintaining the health of their subjugated workforce, and that you're free to choose and whatnot, but in the end it still smells like raunchy ***.
Besides the point of the government allowing and profiting from nicotine (a known poison) , why do they care so much about our health NOW ? They knew 50 years ago it was a poison and even if they pass this "bandaid law" , they will still be able to export it to the 3rd world to kill them. Our present society is universally toxic , the great smoky mountains are dying so quick now behind me.. it's scary (just in the last 2 years) whole ecosystems are gone or severely stressed (not from smoking). I (and mother nature) don't want exposure (to be acosted) from societies cars/planes , advertisements , noise , commercialism ... why not ban those things. As long as we could grow food , who needs the rest ??
The fast food and other garbage products that corporate america bombards us with will also kill us and cost the health care industry trillions $$$ (the real reason for the "thrust" of the law) , ban them too !!!
OS
Not entirely true. The nitrosamines found in tobacco and all the other chemicals added to tobacco products are what is harmful. Pure nicotines effect on the human body is on par with caffeine.
I have been using an e-cigarette for 18 months now and have never felt better.
Coincidently I'm spending these winter months in Spain. In my country, the Netherlands, indoor smoking was banned a few years ago. Now in Spain I see history repeating itself: restaurant and bar owners reporting decreasing business and clamoring to repeal the law. It will rebound in a few months; people will find a way of coping and go back to eat and drink out.
One collateral is complaints about loud/drunken people in the streets smoking outside.
All in all I think it's a good thing; while I have no problem with anyone smoking or not, I don't see why I should allow my health to be damaged because of it.
But I can see the hypocrisy in goverments also, of course. The stiff tax on smoking in the Netherlands doesn't go to, say, cancer research, but to things like more highways and more pre-school capacity.
But we should not make the mistake by pointing out lots of things that are wrong and then decide we don't want ANY progress, even in small steps. Small steps are worthwhile and eventually enough of them get you a long way.
jan didden
One collateral is complaints about loud/drunken people in the streets smoking outside.
All in all I think it's a good thing; while I have no problem with anyone smoking or not, I don't see why I should allow my health to be damaged because of it.
But I can see the hypocrisy in goverments also, of course. The stiff tax on smoking in the Netherlands doesn't go to, say, cancer research, but to things like more highways and more pre-school capacity.
But we should not make the mistake by pointing out lots of things that are wrong and then decide we don't want ANY progress, even in small steps. Small steps are worthwhile and eventually enough of them get you a long way.
jan didden
Lots of interesting replies. As Geography was never my strong subject I should point out that Vail is in Colorado, not California as I stated.
My brother in England recently told me of his experience with the no-smoking rules in the UK. He was sitting in his car smoking, in a hospital car-park, some 400 meters from the building when someone knocked his window. It was the "thought police", an attendant threatening to have him prosecuted for breaking the non-smoking rules. My brother talked his way out of it.....but it shows how the UK nanny state is prepared to enforce the ban. Maybe its a new way of gaining revenue.
I doubt if Spain will go that far but it is disconcerting to believe that outdoor spaces can be policed in such a manner.
I think it prudent to give up the dirty filthy habit anyway. Maybe this is the 'push' that I need.
My brother in England recently told me of his experience with the no-smoking rules in the UK. He was sitting in his car smoking, in a hospital car-park, some 400 meters from the building when someone knocked his window. It was the "thought police", an attendant threatening to have him prosecuted for breaking the non-smoking rules. My brother talked his way out of it.....but it shows how the UK nanny state is prepared to enforce the ban. Maybe its a new way of gaining revenue.
I doubt if Spain will go that far but it is disconcerting to believe that outdoor spaces can be policed in such a manner.
I think it prudent to give up the dirty filthy habit anyway. Maybe this is the 'push' that I need.
Well in the US people smoking cost the government a whole lot of money. Not the Federal government but State and local governments. Usually the county government. Whenever somebody without health insurance or somebody who is under-insured gets a smoking related illness the county has to pay for their medical cost. People who smoke are more likely to be uninsured too. So taxing it a lot is fair IMO. It is the number one cause of death in the US. Even above getting shot!
Also while I am on the side of people being allowed to smoke in privately owned places who don't care if people smoke there I have to say the truth is that since smoking was banned a lot of places I have noticed a lot less butts all over the place. It may have increased at first but it has decreased big time since then. Most people used to smoke and now most people do not smoke. The less people smoke the more careful they are to conceal their smoking and not leave butts in sight anyway. They may still be around but you don't see them. They are in storm drains and places like that.
I wish you luck man but at 9 months I would not yet consider it a done deal. People have gone longer than that before falling off the wagon. It would still be just as easy to smoke as it is to not smoke right now. You never know what could trigger it. Anything that caused you a lot of stress.
The way I see it I smoked between 1 and 3 packs a day for about 25 years so while I am glad I quit I shouldn't suddenly expect anybody else to stop just because I decided to now. For 25 years I was one of the people that I would be complaining about if I wanted to complain about smokers.
Also while I am on the side of people being allowed to smoke in privately owned places who don't care if people smoke there I have to say the truth is that since smoking was banned a lot of places I have noticed a lot less butts all over the place. It may have increased at first but it has decreased big time since then. Most people used to smoke and now most people do not smoke. The less people smoke the more careful they are to conceal their smoking and not leave butts in sight anyway. They may still be around but you don't see them. They are in storm drains and places like that.
I wish you luck man but at 9 months I would not yet consider it a done deal. People have gone longer than that before falling off the wagon. It would still be just as easy to smoke as it is to not smoke right now. You never know what could trigger it. Anything that caused you a lot of stress.
The way I see it I smoked between 1 and 3 packs a day for about 25 years so while I am glad I quit I shouldn't suddenly expect anybody else to stop just because I decided to now. For 25 years I was one of the people that I would be complaining about if I wanted to complain about smokers.
Decadent westerners and their problems... Look at Africa trying to battle the real issues of democracy.
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