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Old 18th July 2017, 01:45 AM   #21
leadbelly is online now leadbelly  Canada
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These guys are local: Choklat - Alberta's Only Chocolate Maker

Through them I found out that most chocolatiers including fine chocolatiers do not make their own chocolate, but buy it already made in bulk, which surprised me.

I agree about the "American chocolate" comment, although it is not all US chocolate, so "mass market" might be a better description. It depends on the confection, but some of it is frighteningly sweet, and gets a "what am I eating?" reaction out of me.

Also the "Chinese chocolate" comment is surprising. I assume you mean by Chinese chocolate the chocolate packaged inside toys, as in Easter? Chinese confections both locally and in China are typically less sweet than North American or European tastes in my experience. Government subsidies of corn production and the resulting push to corn sweeteners in processed foods has very much made us have a sweet tooth in North America!
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Old 18th July 2017, 04:54 PM   #22
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They bought over Cadbury's...
They bought Cadbury's because due to 'tradition' Cadbury's has a special dispensation from the EU and is thus allowed to call their product 'chocolate' even though it does not contain enough cocoa solids to qualify as such according to existing EU rules.

In my opinion this dispensation should have been revoked when Cadbury's stopped being the traditional, independent, british company it once was.
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Old 18th July 2017, 04:56 PM   #23
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I just tasted an icecream with Modica ( Sicily ) chocolate and no milk
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Old 18th July 2017, 06:52 PM   #24
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and of course, who among us hasn't googled to see the latest "research findings" on how good or bad "chocolate" is for our health

It's not the cocoa, but as George noted, the sugar(s) (anything with "ose" at the end), and fats that'll accrue to the negative side of the ledger, and yes, the US seems to be more highly addicted to those ingredients than most

Bigun - after their long running partnership with Scwheppes, Cadbury became part of the Kraft food empire in 2009-10 - while Hershey's may still manufacture Cadbury branded chocolate in the US, I think the asking price was bit more than they could chew. They were certainly my favorite mass market candy bar - particularly the mint , but to be honest it's probably been at least 5yrs since I've had one, and I didn't look that closely at the labels.

The history of the company, and the financial shenanigans during the last 50yrs or so makes for some interesting reading
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Old 18th July 2017, 07:51 PM   #25
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Hersey ruined Cadbury for me. Their Easter products were inedible in the US this year.

I like dark chocolate, and little sugar. I currently prefer Valrhona extra noir (86% cacao) dark chocolate bars from Trader Joes. I tried the TJs chocolates but found them all very waxy and flavorless. Maybe I missed the one Tubelab described.

Chocolate has been an important human food since at least the beginnings of settled villages in the Americas. The plant comes from the Orinoco and Amazon river basins, but the first evidence of its use comes from early villages in Honduras and Mexico, ca. 1600-1700 BC. Its a very fussy plant about its growing conditions, and the seed is only viable for two to three weeks after ripening. Its clearly important in ritual, and while it starts being used as a fermented beverage, and not at all chocolate tasting (the white pulp around the seeds concentrates the plant sugars and makes a good alcoholic beverage, and today is used to ferment the cacao seeds to make them edible), it has come to have an entire precolombian cuisine in Mesoamerica based not only on the pulp, but also on the fermented, dried, and toasted beans.

Its use in ritual took it all the way into the US southwest where recent work shows that traces of a chocolate beverage, probably based on cacao beans, was consumed in some of the pottery from Chaco Canyon.
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Old 18th July 2017, 08:49 PM   #26
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I will look for that one next time I go there. It's 50 miles each way, so I only go there once a month.

I tried the TJs chocolates but found them all very waxy and flavorless.
We live out in the sticks, so I get what I can, where I can. Compared to the stuff I find locally the TJ bars are good.

I snapped these pictures of what's in my pantry. The two on the left came from Walmart. My wife thought they were a bargain at $1 each, but I won't eat them. Ghirardelli - San Fransisco, USA - serving size 38 grams, sugar 16 grams. Godiva - Made in Belgium - serving size 45 grams, sugar 12 grams. The two on the right, I like. Green and Blacks - made in Poland - serving size 40 grams, sugar 5 grams. Trader Joes - Made in Columbia - serving size 40 grams, sugar 6 grams.

Also a random early morning picture from my recent Florida road trip. It was the last picture I took before packing up the camera for the 1200 mile drive home.
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Old 18th July 2017, 09:29 PM   #27
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We can get the Green & Black (in many flavours) at the local grocery store. My Uncle’s architect shop is just across from Ghirardelli at Fisherman’s Ward, when i used to travel to San Fran we made it a stop.

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I think that's where I got it. When they have dark chocolate for half price, I often try it if the sugar content isn't ridiculous. The other grocery store kind I liked was "Endangered Species" brand. I couldn't remember the name last night.
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Old 18th July 2017, 10:27 PM   #29
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We can get the Green & Black (in many flavours) at the local grocery store.
shhhh ! don't let Hershey's know they own Green & Black - we gotta keep this subsidiary "off the radar" as they do indeed make a decent chocolate!
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My craving is for Cadburys Wispa chocolate bars.
I am trying to lose weight so not had one for a couple of months now.
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