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Old 23rd August 2006, 03:24 PM   #11
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Can you get me a price delivered on 4 X MF25-50 sinks. not ideal but I think they would do.
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Old 23rd August 2006, 05:27 PM   #12
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Default GATT and other pecularities

GATT ... General Agreement of Trade and Tarrifs or Global Agreement on Taxes and Tarrifs.

Yes it is an agreement between the EU, USA, Canada, Mexico, most of the Far East, Africa, India ... etc.

Basically it generally excludes most sub assemblies and parts of an electrical or electronic nature from import duties so that manufacturers around the world can use "off shore" manufactured goods in the construction of goods that then are sold (and then taxed with VAT and other revenue methodologies).

If I buy UK or Australian manufactured parts for my assembly then I should not have to pay the import taxes or duties ... If I buy complete assemblies for resale, then I do ...

This is a contentious situation almost everywhere as here in the States we sometimes have to, some times don't, on the whims and greed of our US customs agencies, based in part on other agreements with other countries.

Exempt or Duty Free Examples:
Capacitors, coils, resistors, wire (of certain types), heat sinks, chassis or parts, chips (dies or plug in), bare circuit boards and most kits ... the list is huge, the catagories are mind boggling ... [USB Hub devices is not exempt, FireWire of any type is exempt. Fiber optics for use in telephone systems (long distance) is not exempt, but when used in Datacom (server farms & short haul) is exempt!]

Duties Due upon receipt:
USB (with USB hubs built in) like almost all audio equipment, complete and ready for sale from China & Taiwan is not exempt (=2.6% of total value), but from South Korea it is supposed to be exempt (most favored nation?), but get assessed and taxed anyway at the whims of the customs offices, depending on which one is used = Alaska gets hit, LAX does not.
Heatsinks as a subassembly is supposed to be exempt (heatsink plus fan), unless as a part of a larger subassembly (circuit board plus heat sink assembly)
CD player/recorder mechanisms depend on point of origin = Japan is exempt, China is not.
DVD player/recorder mechanisms are supposed to be exempt, unless they include support information on disk, then they get the hit.

.... I could go on, but basically, those of you in the UK should not be taxed duties on imports of any electronic parts or subassemblies from Australia or Hong Kong (even if the point of origin is mainland China) and I believe that the VAT (sales tax) is supposed to be either reduced or non-existant if it is your intention to sell the results = finished goods?

The whole point of my long diatribe about this GATT / Duties / VAT / Sales Tax question is that in group purchases for UK folks, you should have Conrad of Australia mark the shipping carton with "GATT Duty Free Electronic Parts and Subassemblies" and you in the UK should claim to be manufacturers and/or kit builders ... whether intended for resale or not ... as then the VAT would or should only be applicable upon completion and sold (as a Sales Tax) ... but I'm sure some would object and insist that you pay the fees, taxes, tithes and tributes ... just to demonstrate how good citizenship is supposed to work ...

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Old 23rd August 2006, 06:59 PM   #13
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.... I could go on, but basically, those of you in the UK should not be taxed duties on imports of any electronic parts or subassemblies from Australia or Hong Kong (even if the point of origin is mainland China) and I believe that the VAT (sales tax) is supposed to be either reduced or non-existant if it is your intention to sell the results = finished goods?
No.

VAT and duty are two entirely separate issues. VAT is payable by an individual or company importing the goods UNLESS they're 'registered' in which case they don't pay it until resale, at which point they ask the buyer for it and pass it on at the end of the financial year to the excise.

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The whole point of my long diatribe about this GATT / Duties / VAT / Sales Tax question is that in group purchases for UK folks, you should have Conrad of Australia mark the shipping carton with "GATT Duty Free Electronic Parts and Subassemblies" and you in the UK should claim to be manufacturers and/or kit builders ... whether intended for resale or not ... as then the VAT would or should only be applicable upon completion and sold (as a Sales Tax) ... but I'm sure some would object and insist that you pay the fees, taxes, tithes and tributes ... just to demonstrate how good citizenship is supposed to work ...

There's no need for such a declaration, as customs have yet to attempt to charge me duty on electronic goods. And as noted above, VAT is due whether I'm end-user or not. If I were to register for VAT I would have to charge group-buy participants 17.5% anyway.

Actually, I don't have a problem with paying VAT - taxes have to be raised somehow and it's better that I should pay it on my luxury goods than it's raised from income tax.
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Old 23rd August 2006, 08:12 PM   #14
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Default yes I suppose ...

" ... VAT is payable by an individual or company importing the goods UNLESS they're 'registered' in which case they don't pay it until resale, at which point they ask the buyer for it and pass it on at the end of the financial year to the excise. ..."

Well most of my experience is import & export to and from Australia and Canada and Hong Kong ... and export to the England, Ireland and Scotland ... I am sure you folks have this whole thing figured out. I do see various duty and tax questions into the UK proper as a quagmire of rules and regulations and judgement calls. I know that whenever we get orders from the UK, a company name is associated ... and any VAT and/or any duties are paid on the other end ... but usually there are none applicable.

Canada is a pecular situation as well ... we mark all exports to Canada as "NAFTA Duty Free electronic parts and accessories" and unless the customer resides in the capital city, Montreal, there is no duties or VAT or sales taxes due. If the item is completely finished goods for consumption we usually recommend a carrier that has it figured out ... FedEx = costly, sometimes excessive duties & taxes ... UPS = sometimes on "standard", seldom on "express" ... DHL = hardly ever.

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Old 23rd August 2006, 08:27 PM   #15
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Default ... more on GATT

Consider this situation:

Motorola bought 40 items manufactured in eastern Canada from us. The Canadian manufacturer shipped directly to Motorola (on our behalf). Motorola decided to have a simple specification changed on the whole batch. We arranged for Motorola to ship the whole load back to the Canadian manufacturer. They fixed it. They now will ship back to Motorola ... That's three border crossings.

We have specifically arranged for all concerned to label each shipment, coming and going as "NAFTA Duty Free parts" ... and suprise, suprise, so far the Canadian Customs and Tax Collectors have let it all slide through without duties or taxes ... so far. The Canadian Manufacturer works out of his appartment, making and selling devices from his own DIY efforts, so he has a PO box and rents a sepreate single car garage to receive and ship goods of his manufacture. ... no problem found so far.

If the Canadian Manufacturer were not "exempt" by using the labels on his shipments and returns for repair ... "NAFTS Duty Free ...", he would not be in business and would never have started the original DIY project.

These exceptions to the rules are intended to further new technologies and new business ... But I understand why the UK might have a problem with some of this ... your g'ment is better than our's ...

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Old 23rd August 2006, 08:47 PM   #16
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Quagmire is right!

How do you (US citizens) manage with the situation in which some states have income tax but no sales tax, while neighbouring states might be the reverse? There must be huge amounts of bureaucracy there, not to mention a hell of a lot of border-crossings to fill the car with gas and shopping.

We have a problem here with excise on tobacco: the UK has a huge tax on the evil weed (rightly in my opinion - the National Health Service costs a frickin fortune and if you choose to make yourself ill you should pay accordingly) without which income tax would have to rise, but cigs are dirt cheap in France and Spain and trade barriers are illegal within the EU so it's perfectly legitimate to nip over the Channel to fill your car with excise-free snout.

Anyway, what am I going on about markets and taxation for? Shouldn't I be getting warned off by a moderator? Who wants to buy a heatsink?
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Old 23rd August 2006, 08:59 PM   #17
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Have a look at Fischer Electronik
http://www.fischerelektronik.de/

Dau are the UK distros.
http://www.dau-components.co.uk/page...cat=/Heatsinks

Dau will take credit card orders but have a minimum 25 or maybe 50 order.

Most of the profiles are in raw ally or black anodised.
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Old 29th August 2006, 05:17 PM   #18
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Have a look at Fischer Electronik
http://www.fischerelektronik.de/

Dau are the UK distros.
http://www.dau-components.co.uk/page...cat=/Heatsinks

Dau will take credit card orders but have a minimum 25 or maybe 50 order.

Most of the profiles are in raw ally or black anodised.
I've spoken to Mr Dau and he's sending me a catalogue. The minimum order is indeed 25 quid, which shouldn't be a problem.

I'll let y'all know how they look. Puggie, can you wait a while? I haven't had much interest in the Conrad group buy, but if Dau don't look good I'll order some Conrad stuff and get a quote for your parts while I'm at it.
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Anyway, what am I going on about markets and taxation for? Shouldn't I be getting warned off by a moderator?
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... I'm a bit of a tax zeliot ...
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