X-over designer wanted ...

Madmike2 · 5th July 2005, 12:26 AM

As it says. Looking for an experienced Canadian (preferably ontario) person who is willing to take my little two ways and play with them till they get a good x-over. I will pay for your time/parts and the shipping both ways.

Ya i know what some of you are thinking but i look at it this way. It would cost me MORE to go out and buy all the mics measurment tools and software then it would to UPS it and get someoen experienced to do it right. I already spent 150 dollars and i know something is off. Modelling is great but without a way to measure and analyse it .......

this was original thread Its Alive ! ! !

thanks all

mwmkravchenko · 5th July 2005, 12:59 AM

Whats your wish list?

MArk

Madmike2 · 5th July 2005, 01:38 AM

wish list ? Just done right is all. I cant get someone to tell me what i need. Right means you need the speakers cabinets and all. They arent all that big .

mwmkravchenko · 5th July 2005, 03:01 AM

If you want good advice no problemo. If you want to have it done no problemo. But my best advice is to show you how to do it yourself Mike. You gotta start somewhere!

Mark

Madmike2 · 6th July 2005, 03:11 AM

I think i am going to go out and buy enough components to try it in 4 orders. see which one i like better. If i still dont get what i want i will send them to someone who knows what they are doing. I rented a mic today and was playing around all day. It showed me some interesting stuff but nothing i cant already hear. I still dont know what to look for. Taking the mic back and playing by ear for a week.

mwmkravchenko · 6th July 2005, 01:29 PM

Good on you Mike. Stick with it and you will have the know how for the reset of your life. If you need tips post some questions. I can help and there are many forum members who are very good at X-over work.

Mark

Madmike2 · 7th July 2005, 10:16 PM

Well what do you know....... i find that i had the mono button in creating all kinds of problems on that old amp. AND, the 1st order crossover sounds much better. Tweeter in phase and 8 feet back is sublime now it not only beats my KRK it 'STOMPS' them (r) i have the album :P smooth as silk no hump and no low bass but it is a 5 inch an a sealed enclosure. Now to get the dam bass bins done and then oh joy oh bliss. ( ya right , ill be posting stupidity again )

Madmike2 · 10th July 2005, 06:40 AM

I got them it dialed in last night FINALLY . i took each speaker into the bathroom and shut the door. And just measured them electrically. they might as well have been to different companies speakers

one was 5.3 re and .466 le and the other was 6.5 re ans .64 le. Needless to say that all my attempts at crossover have been failures the last couple days. Constantly using the EQ to cut the mid frequencys to ribbons just to listen for a few minutes.

Well i no longer have any hump that i can hear (ignore my above post hump is hard to detect with instrumental string type music) with the EQ off and using my perfect pitch nosey neighbour type super hearing. I would say that it is like my head phones right now. Also had to remove the impedance correction to lose the distortion. Doesnt matter thought as the rise does not even start till 3/4 of an octave past the crossover point. thank you wintermute for the link to the graph.

Persistence beats brains any day. Unless you die being persistent.

mwmkravchenko · 10th July 2005, 12:34 PM

You already know one of the tricks of the trade! Good headphones do make a good reference.

Mark

Madmike2 · 10th July 2005, 02:27 PM

dude i am old but well taught and capable of learning new tricks. ALthough the headphone thing was one of the first things they taught us at Trebas and George Brown. I wish i could make my room sound like my GF's Grados that would be

5th July 2005, 12:26 AM	#1
Madmike2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	X-over designer wanted ... As it says. Looking for an experienced Canadian (preferably ontario) person who is willing to take my little two ways and play with them till they get a good x-over. I will pay for your time/parts and the shipping both ways. Ya i know what some of you are thinking but i look at it this way. It would cost me MORE to go out and buy all the mics measurment tools and software then it would to UPS it and get someoen experienced to do it right. I already spent 150 dollars and i know something is off. Modelling is great but without a way to measure and analyse it ....... this was original thread Its Alive ! ! ! thanks all __________________ Persistence is better then intelligence. Unless persistence kills you.

5th July 2005, 12:59 AM	#2
mwmkravchenko diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Perth Canada	WHatcha lookin for? Whats your wish list? MArk __________________ Mark

5th July 2005, 01:38 AM	#3
Madmike2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	wish list ? Just done right is all. I cant get someone to tell me what i need. Right means you need the speakers cabinets and all. They arent all that big . __________________ Persistence is better then intelligence. Unless persistence kills you.

5th July 2005, 03:01 AM	#4
mwmkravchenko diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Perth Canada	You know my e-mail address If you want good advice no problemo. If you want to have it done no problemo. But my best advice is to show you how to do it yourself Mike. You gotta start somewhere! Mark __________________ Mark

6th July 2005, 03:11 AM	#5
Madmike2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	I think i am going to go out and buy enough components to try it in 4 orders. see which one i like better. If i still dont get what i want i will send them to someone who knows what they are doing. I rented a mic today and was playing around all day. It showed me some interesting stuff but nothing i cant already hear. I still dont know what to look for. Taking the mic back and playing by ear for a week. __________________ Persistence is better then intelligence. Unless persistence kills you.


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6th July 2005, 01:29 PM	#6
mwmkravchenko diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Perth Canada	Your going one step closer to a well beaten path! Good on you Mike. Stick with it and you will have the know how for the reset of your life. If you need tips post some questions. I can help and there are many forum members who are very good at X-over work. Mark __________________ Mark

7th July 2005, 10:16 PM	#7
Madmike2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	Well what do you know....... i find that i had the mono button in creating all kinds of problems on that old amp. AND, the 1st order crossover sounds much better. Tweeter in phase and 8 feet back is sublime now it not only beats my KRK it 'STOMPS' them (r) i have the album :P smooth as silk no hump and no low bass but it is a 5 inch an a sealed enclosure. Now to get the dam bass bins done and then oh joy oh bliss. ( ya right , ill be posting stupidity again ) __________________ Persistence is better then intelligence. Unless persistence kills you.

10th July 2005, 06:40 AM	#8
Madmike2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	I got them it dialed in last night FINALLY . i took each speaker into the bathroom and shut the door. And just measured them electrically. they might as well have been to different companies speakers one was 5.3 re and .466 le and the other was 6.5 re ans .64 le. Needless to say that all my attempts at crossover have been failures the last couple days. Constantly using the EQ to cut the mid frequencys to ribbons just to listen for a few minutes. Well i no longer have any hump that i can hear (ignore my above post hump is hard to detect with instrumental string type music) with the EQ off and using my perfect pitch nosey neighbour type super hearing. I would say that it is like my head phones right now. Also had to remove the impedance correction to lose the distortion. Doesnt matter thought as the rise does not even start till 3/4 of an octave past the crossover point. thank you wintermute for the link to the graph. Persistence beats brains any day. Unless you die being persistent. __________________ Persistence is better then intelligence. Unless persistence kills you.

10th July 2005, 12:34 PM	#9
mwmkravchenko diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Perth Canada	Well done grasshopper You already know one of the tricks of the trade! Good headphones do make a good reference. Mark __________________ Mark

10th July 2005, 02:27 PM	#10
Madmike2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	dude i am old but well taught and capable of learning new tricks. ALthough the headphone thing was one of the first things they taught us at Trebas and George Brown. I wish i could make my room sound like my GF's Grados that would be __________________ Persistence is better then intelligence. Unless persistence kills you.

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