Kicker Comp C12 Subwoofer?

kinser · 15th June 2006, 09:33 AM

Hey all,

So iv'e decided to build another Home subwoofer once again!

but this time i want something more serious. so i started to look around for car subs (since thats the only kind i can get here) at the price of about 450 NIS (around $100)

while i was looking i ran into the Kicker Comp C12 and by it's T/S parameters its looks pretty good when compared to the Pioneer TS-W305/306C Subs (which are the same price as the Kicker)

So here is some info on the Kicker Comp C12

Nominal Impedance: 4 or 8 Ohms
Sensitivity: 89.1dB@1w,1m
Power Handling Watts, Peak (RMS): 300 (150)
DC Resistance: 3.69 Ohms
Fs: 26.5Hz
Qts: 0.427
Qes: 0.447
Qms: 9.61
BL: 12.50Tm
EXmax: 9.61mm
Vas: 127.65L
sd: 82.5 in2
Mms: 113.57g
Le : 2.90mH
Diameter: 12 inchs

*You can find the rest of the T/S parameters on Kickers website, in the Comp series item manual!

So what do you think? can i use it at home? and what size box do you recomend?

Thanks,
David Resnik

kinser · 15th June 2006, 05:24 PM

No one has any idea?

I want this to be a good sounding sub for what it is, therfor i came here for advice, because i know someone will help me, and its my first time going by WinISD, so i dont have much of a clue about what to do.

Thanks,
David Resnik

richie00boy · 15th June 2006, 05:46 PM

Use WinISD Pro. Check out frequency response, excursion and power graphs.

Should be fine for a home sub if you can tolerate a vented box in the region of 150 litres. Sealed maybe 1/3 that size but with less SPL and less depth. It depends on your expectations of SPL.

kinser · 15th June 2006, 05:53 PM

Hey
Got WinISD Pro, i would rather go with a sealed box, lot less complicated aint it? lol

Thanks,
David Resnik

soloxp · 15th June 2006, 09:50 PM

I built 2 sonotubes Kicker Comps C15" tune to about 18-16hz.With just one it rock the house. I'm a big Kicker fan...but if i was you i would go for vented tune it to 25-20hz. What size Amp you have to push it with. IF you go with a seal box...you need a good 300w amp or better. 2 Comps C15 that i have is running off a PE250w Amp.

kinser · 16th June 2006, 08:29 AM

soloxp,

The Driver is the new 2005 Comp Series, 150w Rms, 300w Max.
The amp that i am using is a parallel opa541 doing about 100-120 watts into 4 ohms.
i was hoping to go with a seald box, beacuse i dont quite understand the whole consept of tunning the box and all..
will my amp be alright for this? i already have a filter with volume, cut off frq, 60-300 bosst from 15hz-150hz, Q and phase.

Thanks,
David Resnik

soloxp · 17th June 2006, 12:54 AM

Is this going to be for HT or HT + Music? What are you looking for? Deep bass that you can feel in your chest. If so vented box...then the 100w-120w amp should be ok. If you want more controll of the sub then the sealed box...but a bigger amp. I had a '98 Kicker XPL 12" in a sealed box @ 2.5 cu.ft with this PE250w amp and it was nice....but I had to turn up the volume to about 1:00 clock. Now it's about 10:00 clock. You'll have to ask some of the guys here on how to do the ports...as I had to get help on that too.

kinser · 17th June 2006, 11:20 AM

soloxp,

I want the sub more for music, since it will be in my bedroom, it will be running with small 2-way speaker.
The reason why i dont want to buy/cant a new amp is becuase i already have the filter+opa541 amp and i dont have cash right now for a new amp (The cost of the amp + shipping and tax=will be a to much cash)

http://www.kicker.com/06/tech-suppor...uals/2005/2005 Comp Sub Manual.pdf

Here is the PDF of the sub, you can see whats recomended regarding to box size, type and power.

Thanks,
David Resnik

soloxp · 18th June 2006, 07:49 AM

Well it look like you'll not looking for the deep bass. Go with kicker sealed 1.25cu.ft. Just don't turn it up to much or you will run your amp into cliping. I would with this....it's all there ports ect.

http://home.austin.rr.com/soloxp/images/pic/kicker.rtf

kinser · 19th June 2006, 09:15 AM

Hey again,

After putting alot of thought into this, i am going to go with a 56L sealed box, and make a more powerful amp. the BPA-200!
All thats left to do is,... well, evrything! pick up the speaker, build the box, get the amp up and running, and test the whole set up!

Thanks for all the help!

David Resnik

15th June 2006, 09:33 AM	#1
kinser diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: R'aanana	Kicker Comp C12 Subwoofer? Hey all, So iv'e decided to build another Home subwoofer once again! but this time i want something more serious. so i started to look around for car subs (since thats the only kind i can get here) at the price of about 450 NIS (around $100) while i was looking i ran into the Kicker Comp C12 and by it's T/S parameters its looks pretty good when compared to the Pioneer TS-W305/306C Subs (which are the same price as the Kicker) So here is some info on the Kicker Comp C12 Nominal Impedance: 4 or 8 Ohms Sensitivity: 89.1dB@1w,1m Power Handling Watts, Peak (RMS): 300 (150) DC Resistance: 3.69 Ohms Fs: 26.5Hz Qts: 0.427 Qes: 0.447 Qms: 9.61 BL: 12.50Tm EXmax: 9.61mm Vas: 127.65L sd: 82.5 in2 Mms: 113.57g Le : 2.90mH Diameter: 12 inchs *You can find the rest of the T/S parameters on Kickers website, in the Comp series item manual! So what do you think? can i use it at home? and what size box do you recomend? Thanks, David Resnik

15th June 2006, 05:46 PM	#3
richie00boy Did it Himself diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gloucestershire, England, UK	Use WinISD Pro. Check out frequency response, excursion and power graphs. Should be fine for a home sub if you can tolerate a vented box in the region of 150 litres. Sealed maybe 1/3 that size but with less SPL and less depth. It depends on your expectations of SPL. __________________ www.readresearch.co.uk my website for UK diy audio people - designs, PCBs, kits and more

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15th June 2006, 05:24 PM	#2
kinser diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: R'aanana	No one has any idea? I want this to be a good sounding sub for what it is, therfor i came here for advice, because i know someone will help me, and its my first time going by WinISD, so i dont have much of a clue about what to do. Thanks, David Resnik

15th June 2006, 05:53 PM	#4
kinser diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: R'aanana	Hey Got WinISD Pro, i would rather go with a sealed box, lot less complicated aint it? lol Thanks, David Resnik

15th June 2006, 09:50 PM	#5
soloxp diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas	I built 2 sonotubes Kicker Comps C15" tune to about 18-16hz.With just one it rock the house. I'm a big Kicker fan...but if i was you i would go for vented tune it to 25-20hz. What size Amp you have to push it with. IF you go with a seal box...you need a good 300w amp or better. 2 Comps C15 that i have is running off a PE250w Amp.

16th June 2006, 08:29 AM	#6
kinser diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: R'aanana	soloxp, The Driver is the new 2005 Comp Series, 150w Rms, 300w Max. The amp that i am using is a parallel opa541 doing about 100-120 watts into 4 ohms. i was hoping to go with a seald box, beacuse i dont quite understand the whole consept of tunning the box and all.. will my amp be alright for this? i already have a filter with volume, cut off frq, 60-300 bosst from 15hz-150hz, Q and phase. Thanks, David Resnik

17th June 2006, 12:54 AM	#7
soloxp diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas	Is this going to be for HT or HT + Music? What are you looking for? Deep bass that you can feel in your chest. If so vented box...then the 100w-120w amp should be ok. If you want more controll of the sub then the sealed box...but a bigger amp. I had a '98 Kicker XPL 12" in a sealed box @ 2.5 cu.ft with this PE250w amp and it was nice....but I had to turn up the volume to about 1:00 clock. Now it's about 10:00 clock. You'll have to ask some of the guys here on how to do the ports...as I had to get help on that too.

17th June 2006, 11:20 AM	#8
kinser diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: R'aanana	soloxp, I want the sub more for music, since it will be in my bedroom, it will be running with small 2-way speaker. The reason why i dont want to buy/cant a new amp is becuase i already have the filter+opa541 amp and i dont have cash right now for a new amp (The cost of the amp + shipping and tax=will be a to much cash) http://www.kicker.com/06/tech-suppor...uals/2005/2005 Comp Sub Manual.pdf Here is the PDF of the sub, you can see whats recomended regarding to box size, type and power. Thanks, David Resnik

18th June 2006, 07:49 AM	#9
soloxp diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas	Well it look like you'll not looking for the deep bass. Go with kicker sealed 1.25cu.ft. Just don't turn it up to much or you will run your amp into cliping. I would with this....it's all there ports ect. http://home.austin.rr.com/soloxp/images/pic/kicker.rtf

19th June 2006, 09:15 AM	#10
kinser diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: R'aanana	Hey again, After putting alot of thought into this, i am going to go with a 56L sealed box, and make a more powerful amp. the BPA-200! All thats left to do is,... well, evrything! pick up the speaker, build the box, get the amp up and running, and test the whole set up! Thanks for all the help! David Resnik