
Home  Forums  Rules  Articles  The diyAudio Store  Gallery  Blogs  Register  Donations  FAQ  Calendar  Search  Today's Posts  Mark Forums Read  Search 

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.
Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving 

Thread Tools  Search this Thread 
14th May 2006, 07:22 AM  #1 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: May 2006

please help with MJK's alignment tables
Anyone familiar with this excellent piece of work? I am interested in learning how to design without software, at least for early planning of transmission line subwoofers.
There are 4 tables. I understand the first table and the fourth table, regarding length and driver offset. I do not understand table 2 and 3 concerning dz and dr. I know they are used to calculate the shape but I don't even understand what shape function and resistance factor mean. I know I'm new here but please don't tell me to read the article again, as I've studied it for hours and don't get it. 
14th May 2006, 09:12 AM  #2 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Bellevue, WA

You find Dz by looking on table 2, because you have both frequency and sl/so. Once you have Dz you can solve for Dr using the last function on page 3.
Dan 
14th May 2006, 05:44 PM  #3 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: May 2006

Dan, thanks very much, but you are a bit above my level, I'm pretty new at this. Let's see if I understand what you are saying.
Choosing any value in table 1 shows you the tuning frequency and SL/SO for that particular length. The corresponding spot on table two defines a value for dz. After this point it gets a bit fuzzy for me, probably mostly because I do not understand what shape function is or how it relates to what I am trying to do. You said "Once you have Dz you can solve for Dr using the last function on page 3." I thought we got dr from table 3, defined by the driver's qts. Did you maybe mean take the values for dr and dz from tables two and three and use them to solve the last equation on page 3 to determine area of the closed end? That would seem to make sense to me, because once you know SO you can calculate SL defined by the ratio chosen in table 1, and finally enough information to draw a design on paper. If I am keeping up so far, that means there is only one formula to solve, correct? There lies another problem, I only have grade 10 basic math. I could probably solve the equation, with the values of dr and dz from the table, the value of Re from driver specs (I assume), but what are the values of B, L and that symbol for acoustic impedance? And aside from the values, what are those 3 things? That's a lot, so I'll just shut up now and thank you in advance for your help. 
15th May 2006, 02:26 AM  #4 
diyAudio Member

?!?!?! another 15 year old interested in high end audio in ontario?! it simply cant be, i thought i was the only one.
sorry i cant help you with your question though, you are oviously beyond my level.
__________________
CREEEAAAAAMMMMM CHEEEEEESSSSSSEEEEEEE!!!!! EEEEESSSSEEEEEEHC MMMMMAAAAAEEEERRCCC!!!! 
16th May 2006, 01:26 AM  #5 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: May 2006

15 was half a lifetime ago but I was never good at math so I quit math after grade 10.
I have a pretty good idea how to guess at proper size based on sd but it would be great to know how to use the tables to their full advantage. 
16th May 2006, 02:10 PM  #6 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: May 2006

Maybe this question would be better suited for the full range part of the forum? I want to make subwoofers though, so I will leave it alone for awhile...

16th May 2006, 09:33 PM  #7 
diyAudio Member

ahhhhhh, you could always get a math nerd friend to do it for you.
__________________
CREEEAAAAAMMMMM CHEEEEEESSSSSSEEEEEEE!!!!! EEEEESSSSEEEEEEHC MMMMMAAAAAEEEERRCCC!!!! 
16th May 2006, 11:10 PM  #8 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: .

just a guy
Take a look at this thread... http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...731#post678731 There are two downloads in those posts. Planet10's download of an AlphaTL article by Rick Schultz (post 9) Give it a read GM's xls spreadsheet from the same article (post 11) Experiment with it (using the article). This is a "simpler" way of doing TLs It may help you get jumpstarted. You will see that you only need three driver TS parameters. Qts Vas Fs Also, be sure to review the following... http://www.tlinespeakers.org/design...ies/index.html http://www.diysubwoofers.org/ Sure hope this helps... 
17th May 2006, 06:28 AM  #9 
diyAudio Member
Join Date: May 2006

Hi, qi, the article "Pearls from..." is an excellent resource and was the basis for trying to figure out the alignment tables. There are two reasons why I am not interested in MJK's full works at this time.
First, if I can't manipulate the alignment tables I don't like my chances with the real deal. Second, my current project can't be modelled with his spreadsheets, but I'm still interested, even though my current project is past the planning stage I am interested in continuing to work with tl's. Looks like I have a lot of studying to do with the alpha article and playing with GM's spreadsheet. Thanks for the info. 
17th May 2006, 09:12 AM  #10  
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: .

Quote:
Another mystery wrapped in an enigma Do you want to talk about it? 

Thread Tools  Search this Thread 


Similar Threads  
Thread  Thread Starter  Forum  Replies  Last Post 
P17 MTM TL help on MK's alignment tables  led7  MultiWay  7  18th May 2007 10:25 AM 
Augspurger's alignment tables  Dave Jones  MultiWay  22  14th April 2007 10:13 PM 
Using MJK´s alignment tables  VelluPiri  MultiWay  2  23rd October 2006 02:22 PM 
Transmission Line Alignment Tables  MJK  MultiWay  8  19th October 2003 07:06 PM 
New To Site?  Need Help? 