Optimal Techno sub...

theimperia · 21st May 2005, 07:32 AM

Hi everyone!

I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this question, but here it comes

What's the optimal size of the sub for Techno, Trance, etc. (fast transient) kind of music? I know someone who has a 2x12" vented subs, but fast music (techno, etc.) sounds like cr*p on it (the drum is delayed and it sounds terrible). It's quite good for Rap and R&B though, but I don't care about those. I just want the drum and the base to be heard (heh, at 150bpm

).

I though of maybe 2x8" or 2x10", but what's the best in your opinion. It's gonna be vented, coz the quality is better than closed.

TI|CP

joe carrow · 21st May 2005, 07:51 AM

For good transient response, i hear that you need a low group delay. For a ported box, that probably means a large enclosure tuned low. A sealed enclosure tends to have the lowest group delay.

theimperia · 21st May 2005, 08:44 AM

Oh, so for fast transients, it's better with sealed than vented... I though that sealed was bad

What about the actual speaker size?

Tweeker · 21st May 2005, 08:56 AM

Just how large can you tolerate?

Do you need to XO high up? Otherwise you might do better to buy a single larger woofer.

pinkmouse · 21st May 2005, 10:42 AM

Sealed box, system Q about 0.9, box tuned to slight peak at 50Hz. 15" pro driver, like one of the Eminence or PAudio ones.

Bangin'!

planet10 · 21st May 2005, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theimperia
It's gonna be vented, coz the quality is better than closed.

In most cases vented vrs sealed is a quantity vrs quality thing. Myself i like lots of quality so build TLs or aperiodic boxes mostly.

I also always like to use a pair of woofers push-push (and stereo if i can). In terms of bass quality, usually the less stresses a woofer is the better it will sound. so a pr of (good) 15s is going to outdo a pr of 12s, on & on. But a smaller woofer usually has a better HF performance making it easier to blend with the high range speaker... so as you can see you have to juggle all sorts of things (including busget)

I've finally accumulated enuff drivers for my next sub project. 8 12". I'll give up half the volume displacement to gain small box size and push-push-push-pull to maximize the quality i can get out of the vintage extended range woofers.

dave

Bull · 21st May 2005, 02:36 PM

HD15 horns would be best for the kick drum thump of techno.

http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=hd15horn

AJinFLA · 21st May 2005, 07:18 PM

You'll have to place it a little out from the back wall

http://www.meyersound.com/products/concertseries/psw-6/

You won't be dissapointed.

Cheers,

AJ

AJinFLA · 21st May 2005, 07:26 PM

Or for a more realistic budget, build something like this
http://www.peavey.com/products/brows...+Subwoofer.cfm
Using this:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=294-301
and techno away

Cheers,

AJ

21st May 2005, 07:32 AM	#1
theimperia diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars	Optimal Techno sub... Hi everyone! I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this question, but here it comes What's the optimal size of the sub for Techno, Trance, etc. (fast transient) kind of music? I know someone who has a 2x12" vented subs, but fast music (techno, etc.) sounds like cr*p on it (the drum is delayed and it sounds terrible). It's quite good for Rap and R&B though, but I don't care about those. I just want the drum and the base to be heard (heh, at 150bpm ). I though of maybe 2x8" or 2x10", but what's the best in your opinion. It's gonna be vented, coz the quality is better than closed. TI\|CP

21st May 2005, 10:42 AM	#5
pinkmouse diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chatham, England	Sealed box, system Q about 0.9, box tuned to slight peak at 50Hz. 15" pro driver, like one of the Eminence or PAudio ones. Bangin'! __________________ Al The miracle is not to fly in the air, or to walk on the water; but to walk on the earth. Chinese Proverb

21st May 2005, 02:36 PM	#7
Bull diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ...........	reply HD15 horns would be best for the kick drum thump of techno. http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=hd15horn

21st May 2005, 07:18 PM	#8
AJinFLA diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tampa	Vented Cardioid You'll have to place it a little out from the back wall http://www.meyersound.com/products/concertseries/psw-6/ You won't be dissapointed. Cheers, AJ

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21st May 2005, 07:51 AM	#2
joe carrow diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Francisco	For good transient response, i hear that you need a low group delay. For a ported box, that probably means a large enclosure tuned low. A sealed enclosure tends to have the lowest group delay.

21st May 2005, 08:44 AM	#3
theimperia diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars	Oh, so for fast transients, it's better with sealed than vented... I though that sealed was bad What about the actual speaker size?

21st May 2005, 08:56 AM	#4
Tweeker diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio	Just how large can you tolerate? Do you need to XO high up? Otherwise you might do better to buy a single larger woofer.

21st May 2005, 07:26 PM	#9
AJinFLA diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tampa	Or for a more realistic budget, build something like this http://www.peavey.com/products/brows...+Subwoofer.cfm Using this: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=294-301 and techno away Cheers, AJ

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