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Old 20th February 2013, 08:42 PM   #331
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Hi Guys,

My first post. Wow what a thread! I don’t know quite where to begin…..
Hope that this will not be considered “off topic”?
But I will finally get around to the point when I telephoned THE Mr Graham Holliman!

Around 23 years ago when I was the tender age of 23, I met a friend who was a loudspeaker designer.

Till then I had just been blindly tinkering with loudspeakers, both hi-fi & PA.

My new friend, Geoff was at a completely different level. Geoff was 19 years my senior and he became my greatest mentor & friend. Sadly he passed away last Christmas Eve, probably taking far too much knowledge with him.

Geoff had an amazing pair of hideous looking prototype hi-fi speakers which always amazed me, they sounded far superior to anything I had ever heard, even at Abbey Road Studios.

Over the years I learned that they were based upon Graham Holliman’s design. At least should I say the Sub-bass element.

Geoff had followed the detailed build instructions in the Hi-fi World article (think it was 1974 & I can scan & post).

Geoff had a great knack of thinking laterally, so had turned the Holliman enclosure on its end, on a floor stand so that the 15-inch driver faced the back wall. He then inserted an extra 15-inch upper bass driver, a 6.5-inch mid driver & tweeter array into the front, in what had been the bottom. He multiplied this twice & he had a stereo, true full-range monitoring system.

This he had achieved before I met him, I cannot express how good this sounded, so extremely quick with a very smooth response with an utterly clean never ending bass extension to die for. Totally musical and plenty of boogieing SPL for a living room.

Over the years I learnt more as you do, & with Geoff’s help along the way I later formed a PA company which in turn became a small bespoke PA loudspeaker manufacturer, this then resulted in me having company facilities like open doors to driver manufacturers. Oh to be a kid in the sweet shop again.

The highlight of this great adventure was with Geoff’s help we designed a ground-breaking high powered club system in the early 1990’s which utilised a different band-pass sub bass cabinet that pumped out over 135dBA , flat down to 20 cycles and below if I switched off the safety filter! This bespoke installation was at Turnmills club, home of Trade. At the time it really kicked the established PA brands and the club’s main competitor, The Ministry Of Sound.

I helped Geoff with many mods to his Holliman’s over the years which included all manner of drivers, crossovers and tweaking. Many happy hours were spent listening and discussing the merits of our tweaks. We even joked about booking a room at the Heathrow Hi-fi Show with the Holliman’s under an acoustically transparent dustsheet just to throw the cats amongst the pigeons.

We had always wondered why Graham Holliman he had not pursued the design further. We discussed this in great detail including the totally unfair dismissal he had received from the hi-fi industry. It had been a witch hunt and burning. I had always sensed that Geoff had felt a little guilty over poaching Graham’s design, although it had been published for personal use.

We were always going to make a finished, veneered pair for each of us with a stock pile of the next round of drivers that we had spent years choosing and gathering. Sadly that was not to be.

The good news for me is that Geoff’s speakers are safe and have been left to me so that I can keep them alive & moving forward with our original plan. I just need to make space to accommodate them in my lounge. (Can’t wait)

When I arranged Geoff’s funeral, when going through his “loudspeaker” phone book I found Graham Holliman’s telephone number, thought it rude not to call really although it did seem odd that Geoff had never mentioned speaking to him.
Mr Holliman could not remember Geoff, but was a really cool guy to speak with. We spoke for a good while and Mr Holliman & I left things hanging so that I could call again, which I would thoroughly enjoy. We did talk about getting together for him to have a listen. OH WHAT AN HONOUR!

So you now know why I have been living in a parallel universe, having read this thread back to 2004 today.

I am so pleased that Mr Holliman is still provoking interest & debate to this day, I can only tell you that I have been told by others that I have “golden ears” and believe me, I’m not a boom & tiss kind of guy at home.

His design is the best I have ever heard, yes there is debate because the available technology around 40 years ago was very limited, particularly in the bass & elctronics department. I know that from my own experience in the 90’s when we were pushing the design envelope and constantly taking drivers back to where they were made and asking for design changes.

It wasn’t until relatively recently when advanced & high temperature materials, low resonant frequencies & high Xmax have become the norm for high end bass products.

For those wanting to know what drivers Geoff had used; the default had been some vintage Audax 15 inch units which had been mass loaded with bitumen sheet. We were next planning to try some Precision Devices 158’s, which we sensed would be an upgrade.

Our general consensus was that the cabinets were not too driver fussy, nor did he have to close doors & windows for the full effect. So I guess this suggests that following the cabinet design accurately and maintaining construction quality is more important than with most designs.

I remember Geoff stating that when I remade the cabinets that I should use the thinnest/strongest sheet material for the loading aperture ring. I have noticed that some of you appear to have used hardboard? this I think could be flapping/ trying to tear itself apart when level is increased?

I should also state that the ultra-sub bandwidth was actively driven via large mono-blocks via a studio quality Tannoy crossover with 24dB/octave slope to filter nasty out of band break up. And obviously there was room gain by the fact that the speakers backed into the corners.

I can remember the day we wired one up to a 2 watt transistor FM radio, the result was quite amazing, and so I think it fair to say there’s no problem with efficiency that is in the mid to upper 90’s

I now look forward to installing Geoff’s Holliman’s and reading through his notes and returning here for any more gratefully received and shared wisdom before I draw up the next version of cabinets. If anybody has any doubt, you are most welcome to visit and make your own opinion.

Thank you Geoff and thank you Graham.

PS Does that qualify for the third or fourth known working cabinet?http://cdn1.dastatic.com/forums/imag...s/scratch1.gif
Hi Infranut,

I built one of the Holliman boxes and posted the pictures to this thread, on Christmas Eve 2011, the day that Geoff passed away as synchronicity would have it ! I too feel that he will have taken so much with him.

I'm working on some wraparound Holliman based Infra subs to incorporate in to a 5 way Reggae system and would love to assist with any build idea's hanging over from your and Geoff's experience. I have a fully kitted out workshop and can complete them in any finish.

Would be really nice to push the possibilities further on this one !

Best Regards


Paul
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Old 20th February 2013, 09:01 PM   #332
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I built one of the Holliman boxes and posted the pictures to this thread, on Christmas Eve 2011, the day that Geoff passed away as synchronicity would have it ! I too feel that he will have taken so much with him.
Paul,

Been over a year since your build, have you ever measured the Holliman box frequency response?

Art

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Old 20th February 2013, 09:08 PM   #333
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I found this info from some 30 years ago. There must have been a letter from G.H., as well, but I apparently lost it. Anyway, he hasn't wrote anything about the physics behind it, except "inlating the air in the room just like a tyre pump, only at an AC rate" or something similar...
Does anybody know how exactly does it work? Is the working principle in harmony with the Thiele-Small theory?
Interesting PDF, many thanks for this, not seen this scan before, was transonic imports Geoff's company ?
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Old 20th February 2013, 09:21 PM   #334
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Paul,

Been over a year since your build, have you ever measured the Holliman box frequency response?

Art
Hi Art,

No they have never been tested, other than being driven and compared against other subs, they dropped appreciably lower than bandpass boxes which they came up to quite well in terms of frequency.

Spent most of the time pushing the Bassotronics track Bass I love you, really low and rolling.

I have had some interesting questions on this one and will be posting the finished box as soon as I can dig it out of the garage, from where it was relegated to, after my girlfriend lost her mind with the wall floor and ceiling shaking !!!!

Best Regards


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Old 20th February 2013, 09:46 PM   #335
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Hi Art,

No they have never been tested, other than being driven and compared against other subs, they dropped appreciably lower than bandpass boxes which they came up to quite well in terms of frequency.

Spent most of the time pushing the Bassotronics track Bass I love you, really low and rolling.
Paul,

With most bandpass boxes dropping like a rock below 45 Hz, not hard to go appreciably lower.

"Bass I love You" has fairly hot frequencies down to 8 Hz which will cause a lot of "rolling" on most speakers, especially if no HP filter is engaged.

There were a lot of followers of this thread hoping for some measurements, would have thought after taking the time to build the box, you would be curious what it actually does, other than shake walls and ceilings .

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Old 20th February 2013, 10:00 PM   #336
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Hi Art,

I agree with you on the bandpasses generally, the bandpasses I referred to drop down to 33Hz with group of 4 around 30 Hz.

On the measurements, fair point taken, I need to get some testing sorted !!! If not on the box I built last year or the new one I'm working on.

Will keep you guys posted

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Old 5th May 2013, 11:53 AM   #337
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AT LAST,

I have completed the document. Pictures and all. Appologies for the large size of the document, but the diagrams need to be quite clear to figure out whats actually going on.

Best of Luck lads, and pls send me feedback on any developments or discoveries you might make.
Mail me on oiltanker@webmail.co.za

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Ryan
Hi, All
Did anyone get sight of this document this thread is quite old and am interested in building one of these sub bass systems
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Old 5th May 2013, 11:55 AM   #338
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Could this be scaled up to use an 18"? I'm pretty sure it was decided that the designs of the different sizes are just scaled. How much difference would using an 18" make and would it be worth the massive box size?
Thinking the same thing as I have some spare JBL 2245!!

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Hi Guys
Just touching base before Christmas break.

Simon;
I'll scan & post the original 1974 article and another (might be Wilmslowaudio doc?) in the new year.

In answer to Deon, Geoff wanted to try a scaled down version, & had acquired a pair of super high Xmax 6.5" drivers, so think its got to be worth a go. I wouldn't be surprised if the same requirements of steep active crossover filters etc and possibly active correctional EQ being required to compensate for limited size.

Have a great break.
Just catching up

Hi infranut,
Did you manage to scan these?
Many thanks
DM

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Old 21st July 2013, 12:06 AM   #339
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Default I Built an 8" Version of the Gram Holliman Speaker

Hello Fellow DIYers,

Recently I built a scaled down version of the Graham Holliman Infra Bass Speaker and wish to report that it performs extremely well. ( amazingly well considering I built a MINI sized )

I used a MCM 8" subwoofer that I had on hand so it ended up being only 28" by 11" by 11" with 1/2 plywood.

In a 22' by 26' room it produces nice musical bass flat down to at least 15 hz with pink noise on RTA. The bass is extremely musical and clean ( sounds like my Fitzmaurice Tuba Home Theater (THT) Subwoofer. )

It does not seem fussy about the room, anywhere I placed it or pointed it , produced no noticeable voids or nulls.

Polarity does not need to be reversed as the noted on the end of the plans.

If you look at Mr Hollimans sales flyer (thread #329) , you will notice that he made 4 models and they are based on room size. Based on that, I am surprised my 8" version works so well in my room. My version is about the size of his "Mini" Unit, and he was using stereo pairs.

I already have a Fitzmaurice THT and a pair of his David Floorstanders, so I built this unit "just to see" and most likely will not build a larger unit... However the Sales Flyer reports the Professional System goes down 4hz @ +- 2 1/2 and that sound tempting....

Charlie Haywood
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Hello Fellow DIYers,

Recently I built a scaled down version of the Graham Holliman Infra Bass Speaker and wish to report that it performs extremely well. ( amazingly well considering I built a MINI sized )

I used a MCM 8" subwoofer that I had on hand so it ended up being only 28" by 11" by 11" with 1/2 plywood.

In a 22' by 26' room it produces nice musical bass flat down to at least 15 hz with pink noise on RTA. The bass is extremely musical and clean ( sounds like my Fitzmaurice Tuba Home Theater (THT) Subwoofer. )

It does not seem fussy about the room, anywhere I placed it or pointed it , produced no noticeable voids or nulls.

Polarity does not need to be reversed as the noted on the end of the plans.

If you look at Mr Hollimans sales flyer (thread #329) , you will notice that he made 4 models and they are based on room size. Based on that, I am surprised my 8" version works so well in my room. My version is about the size of his "Mini" Unit, and he was using stereo pairs.

I already have a Fitzmaurice THT and a pair of his David Floorstanders, so I built this unit "just to see" and most likely will not build a larger unit... However the Sales Flyer reports the Professional System goes down 4hz @ +- 2 1/2 and that sound tempting....

Charlie Haywood
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