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 3rd April 2013, 06:28 PM #1 McFinkle   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Mar 2013 Dual Lab12C Sub Hey everyone! After becoming quite obsessed with the idea of building my own sub, I'm stoked that I've found this website! So, the plan is to build two subs each with two Eminence Lab12C's. First off, I have a very basic question. Is the volume of the port included in the total volume of the cabinet? I've decided on going with an internal volume of 8 cubic feet, a shelf port that is 20 inches wide, 2 inches high, and 18 inches long. Does that sound alright? I'm after a flat response down to 30Hz and decent performance at 20Hz, which WinISD says I will get with the above dimensions. Thanks in advance for any advice!
 3rd April 2013, 07:11 PM #2 Inductor   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cascais Yes, you have to calculate total internal volume less the volume of the ports and drivers, what in a pro 15" driver situation, can be about 10L extra and enough to change the alignment. WinISD shows the volume of the driver is it's last page. __________________ Uriah Heep - Return To Fantasy 1975
 3rd April 2013, 07:33 PM #3 Inductor   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cascais Now the alignment. 1. EMINENCE LAB12C, VB = 66.4 L, FB = 22.0 Hz This is a decent alignment (for each driver) why should you need 8ft³ (~226.5L)?! What gives +/-140L internal (142L = 5.0ft³) each dual speaker sub. Faraway from your initial calculations (if you want another alignment). In this case Port 2"x8" (5cmx20cm) - length ~27" (for 70L). Driver Volume Displaced 188.6 cu.in. / 3.09 liters http://www.eminence.com/?s=lab12 __________________ Uriah Heep - Return To Fantasy 1975 Last edited by Inductor; 3rd April 2013 at 07:45 PM. Reason: driver displacement
 3rd April 2013, 07:54 PM #4 McFinkle   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Mar 2013 Thanks for the tips! Having a port of 27 inches long would make the box very deep though, wouldn't it?
 3rd April 2013, 08:16 PM #5 _henry_   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia You can fold it or use PVC elbow
 4th April 2013, 01:20 AM #6 Inductor   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cascais @McFinkle, yes but that was only a starting point. (And I don't like it to be fair with you.) In terms of construction (_henry is here helping you) I would consider the use of the fold in the cabinet (wood) but I would try to pass without it with a PVC/ABS port. Tell me it's for home or PA?! Do you plan to wire the dual LABs in series or parallel? What crossover freq/EQ are you using, is it just a stand alone sub+amp? __________________ Uriah Heep - Return To Fantasy 1975
 4th April 2013, 02:20 AM #7 Inductor   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cascais 2. EMINENCE LAB12C, VB = 70.0 L, FB = 24.0 Hz This alignment (Vb for each driver) has in consideration F3=30Hz (free-field/24Hz in-room). You have to add the volume for each driver and port system to the internal volume for it's final internal volume (wood thickness and all). Probably this one looks better. You can run infinite calculations before you build... Port (2"x8"/5cmx20cm) length = ~22.5" Volume each driver = ~3L Volume for each port = ~8L Volume for each driver/system (1x) = 81L Volume (internal) for a complete system (dual) = 162L (162L = 5.7210ft³) __________________ Uriah Heep - Return To Fantasy 1975
 4th April 2013, 02:48 AM #8 Inductor   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cascais 3. EMINENCE LAB12C, VB = 74.0 L, FB = 23.0 Hz This better protects the woofer from the amplitude of the movement of the cone at low frequencies with port tunned low (longer port). Port (2"x8"/5cmx20cm) length = ~23" Volume each driver = ~3L Volume for each port = ~8L Volume for each driver/system (1x) = 85L Volume (internal) for a complete system (dual) = 170L (170L = 6.0ft³) Port tunning: fine tune the ports between 23" and 25" length (24/22Hz) for this same int. volume (#3). __________________ Uriah Heep - Return To Fantasy 1975 Last edited by Inductor; 4th April 2013 at 02:59 AM. Reason: port tunning
 5th April 2013, 05:43 AM #9 McFinkle   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Mar 2013 Thanks for that! One last question.. Is it better to have the port orientated so that each driver is the same distance away from it? Like if the drivers are orientated above each other should the port run vertically?
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 Originally Posted by McFinkle Thanks for that! One last question.. Is it better to have the port orientated so that each driver is the same distance away from it? Like if the drivers are orientated above each other should the port run vertically?
If the difference was even measurable, it would be slight.

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It is a higher tuning than you want, but is a very nice compromise between small size and good musical LF output.

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