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guitar89 24th January 2013 12:10 PM

Vibrating nosie from woofer
 
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I got a very old woofer unit, JBL's PS-120 :Dhttp://image.nettix.fi/extra/itemimg...0c3b199751.jpg

This speaker only produce low frequency, range 200hz and below. But it has a fatal problem now ( didn't really notice when it started):

When the bass is very strong, the back panel (removeable steel portion, mark with red frame in picture) which has all the circuit attached except driver, it refuse to stay as a flat piece of metal, STARTED to flex back and forth with the speaker cone :c_flag: This make a loud noise that annoys me. :redhot:

The noise can be reduce to very low level with my hand press strongly against the back panel, but then I wouldn't able to sit down and enjoy my music/video. :(

Beside, I couldn't supress it with the strength of hands only :eek: I need to use my body weight with my hand to reduce roughly 80-95% of the vibration noise.

So I'm seeking helps from forumers which have knowledge, experience and wisdom to solve this problem.

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Just as extra, I open the back panel before. Maybe due to its old age, it ceiling's soft material aren't stick to it (half fallen) would it be much effect on the sound ?
Or should I say repair/replace it will brings me any benefit of SQ ?

Puffin 24th January 2013 12:35 PM

Sounds like this is a sealed and not ported sub. Sounds like the rear panel (with amp) is flexing as the air is shifted. I would have thought that if the seal around the amp plate is broken, that this would have made the pressure escape and not flex the panel. Is the panel made of cardboard?

vacuphile 24th January 2013 12:41 PM

I don't think the steel plate will be flexing, more likely the screws will be loose.

epa 24th January 2013 02:04 PM

first stapel/nail the wool back,then put the backplate back wil a seal.
this could be a silecone/rubber or foam seal.
make sure the screws are thight .

guitar89 25th January 2013 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Puffin (Post 3340095)
Sounds like this is a sealed and not ported sub. Sounds like the rear panel (with amp) is flexing as the air is shifted. I would have thought that if the seal around the amp plate is broken, that this would have made the pressure escape and not flex the panel. Is the panel made of cardboard?

Yeah, it is a sealed woofer, so the amp plate easily move with the cone.
Anyway, it doesn't have any seal around it, just screw directly and side mates with woof/MDF material directly. The panel is made of metal. (normally plated steel I think)

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Originally Posted by vacuphile (Post 3340102)
I don't think the steel plate will be flexing, more likely the screws will be loose.

I had rescrew it, make sure it doesn't cause the problem, but still persist. But the thingy I'm sure is that it doesn't have any rubber seal/ring that make it vibration-proof. There is even no washer or that sort of thing. Just directly screw into wood.

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Originally Posted by epa (Post 3340201)
first stapel/nail the wool back,then put the backplate back wil a seal.
this could be a silecone/rubber or foam seal.
make sure the screws are thight .

Hm.... If I put a seal around the panel/plate, then I couldn't reduce it simply ^^ would like to find better solution. Of course I will put back the wool back first ^^ But I think the main problem is not sealing.

sreten 25th January 2013 01:56 AM

Hi,

You can reinforce the panel or seal it off from the back pressure.

rgds, sreten.

guitar89 25th January 2013 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sreten (Post 3341085)
Hi,

You can reinforce the panel or seal it off from the back pressure.

rgds, sreten.

Hi, sreten.
Seal it off from back pressure ? what does that mean ? do you mean to apply seal, thus possibly it is more affected (flexing) by the air pressure inside ? or make it leak ?

Reinforce is a better way, but is there any method that able reinforcement of the back panel without making degradation of SQ, permanent damage (to the enclosure) ?
In other words, can I make a reinforcement structure that is reversible/safe ? (at least won't harm the woofer)

Regards,
Leong.

Richard Ellis 25th January 2013 02:53 AM

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Yes, it needs to be resealed but the attachment mechanism isn't working for you (stripping out)..'long term'........
Depending on the stiffness of the electronics " plate" the silly woodscrews have to go. Use thru-bolts with washers & lockwashers. The overlap of the plate should be enough to use a 1/2 " flat washer (Check how much)...have the flat washer, lockwasher, nut on the outside (Duh!)....drill all the way thru...probably 5/8" MDF wood.
When this is all considered........you might consider doubling the amount of screws (Now thru-bolts). Of course it would require you to drill out new holes in the Plate assy.

__________________________________________________ _____Rick.......

guitar89 25th January 2013 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Ellis (Post 3341137)
Yes, it needs to be resealed but the attachment mechanism isn't working for you (stripping out)..'long term'........
Depending on the stiffness of the electronics " plate" the silly woodscrews have to go. Use thru-bolts with washers & lockwashers. The overlap of the plate should be enough to use a 1/2 " flat washer (Check how much)...have the flat washer, lockwasher, nut on the outside (Duh!)....drill all the way thru...probably 5/8" MDF wood.
When this is all considered........you might consider doubling the amount of screws (Now thru-bolts). Of course it would require you to drill out new holes in the Plate assy.

__________________________________________________ _____Rick.......

Well, your method most of the time only can reduce, but couldn't eliminate the problem. At least in my case, because the wood part that been screw is very thin, less than half a centimeter.

The problem now is with the metal flexing, I think the only way to stop it effectively is to make reinforcement in the middle.

I will take picture (of dismantled) when I get hold of better camera.

guitar89 25th January 2013 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Ellis (Post 3341137)
Yes, it needs to be resealed but the attachment mechanism isn't working for you (stripping out)..'long term'........
Depending on the stiffness of the electronics " plate" the silly woodscrews have to go. Use thru-bolts with washers & lockwashers. The overlap of the plate should be enough to use a 1/2 " flat washer (Check how much)...have the flat washer, lockwasher, nut on the outside (Duh!)....drill all the way thru...probably 5/8" MDF wood.
When this is all considered........you might consider doubling the amount of screws (Now thru-bolts). Of course it would require you to drill out new holes in the Plate assy.

__________________________________________________ _____Rick.......

Srry for the above post, my memory just blurring up. The MDF wood is just slightly over than 5/8" ^^ but the screw are originally pass through the MDF wood. (metal 2mm thick, screw longer than 1")
I attached some picture. 1st and 2nd picture is the woofer with back panel attached (mounting screw removed)

3rd picture is the internal near the driver. (taken without any intention though) don't know why there is black paint within the box.
4th is backpanel removed, and there is a thin paper-like material sandwiched between wood and metal.


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