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Old 25th November 2011, 11:58 PM   #1
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Default What Sub/Subs for FOH Tour Rig

After several hours of reading countless threads on this forum and others I have to admit I'm more frustrated and confused than at the start of my reading. There are so many models, varients and model numbers it falls in the TMI category. I won't bore you with endless chatter so
here's what I need.
Next year I'm doing approx 70 shows mainly in clubs here in the US with the crowds ranging from 200-1200 and have decided to build my own subs. Would prefer not to pull a trailer.
The FOH mains I will be using will be EAW-210's pushed by Lab Gruppen's processed with EAW's UX8800. Stylistically, these shows are southern rock venues with only one wedge being used for the drummer.
Here are some basics.
Quality/Clean sound
Potability: Want the most sub for the size with cost of build not being a issue.
Ease/Time of setup
Want the kick to have some shock & quality awe.
Subs should have the "punch" effect.
Subs should be efficient.
I'm aware of the simplistic nature of this thread but it's the best I can come up with.
Feel free to ask any questions or make any observations.
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Old 26th November 2011, 12:10 AM   #2
Tajzmaj is offline Tajzmaj  Slovenia
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Hi...
I have 24 of EAW SB1000. It is compact and really good sounding. And of course very powerful too. It is ok if you have only 1 sub per side....you won't miss sub bass......it is not necessary to stack them in groups to get nice low end....but of course it rock if you....
So my advice. 4 per side for 1200 people in closed venue. And find some used units on ebay.....it is a lot of work to build them...and paint them properly ....and make front grilles....and so on...i have actually diy clones, drivers I've used are PD1850.
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Old 26th November 2011, 12:22 AM   #3
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P.S.
My amps are old school Carver PT2400.....only one sub per channel. 4E loading...
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Old 26th November 2011, 02:35 AM   #4
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The Punisher can go 130dB at 50Hz with 1000 Watt.
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2 of those should be loud enough for your needs. They are relatively cheap, lightweight, go loud and have plenty of shock and awe punch.
I know these quite well, as a felow free party organasation has 8 of them and they blow everything away.

If that isnt low enough you can build the Othorn.
The Othorn tapped horn
These go to 35Hz.

If you want 20Hz you could go for a Gjallerhorn.
Gjallerhorn
Witch is what Im going to do.
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Old 26th November 2011, 12:48 PM   #5
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foh main =jfl 210 or mr210?
in case jfl210 you could choose closed ,br,or th.
in case mr210 closed or br.
best use high quality neo 18" drivers(18 sound,b&c,rcf )tuned to 35~40 hz.
th's are bigger but produce more output vs amp load.
so if u have lots of power you could choose a br box,wich are easy to bild, but need more speakers.
wich labruppen you have for the subs?

punisher's rock but you need multiples to get low extension
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Old 26th November 2011, 01:25 PM   #6
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fyi
compare 2x br cab 300 ltrs loaded with 2x 18 sound 18 nlw 9000 @ x-max grey
with 2x th 550 ltr loaded with single 18 sound 18 nlw 9000 @ x-max black
the br needs 2x speakers and ~2x amp load,but 3/5 volume.
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Old 26th November 2011, 01:33 PM   #7
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@ post 5 closed isnt an option in reality ofcource ,shouldend even have mensioned it
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Unless you do a lot of heavy dance stuff, I wouldn't even think about running a touring rig below 40 Hz. Don't waste amp power by trying to get low, pick cabs that have a good efficiency between about 60-150Hz, something like a 18" horn loaded box or TH, and make them in multiple small boxes so you can use what you need, rig and derig quickly, and can be carried up stairs, (I've done my share of small club gigs!).
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Old 26th November 2011, 03:59 PM   #9
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You looking for something like flipc's system?

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Old 26th November 2011, 04:49 PM   #10
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I agree with Pinkmouse. Very good point. No need to go under 40Hz. In practice of course
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