I was looking at Elbert's nice looking build 
in here http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/subwoofers/199009-completed-build-inspiration.html & in particular this screenie http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/atta...6086-completed-build-inspiration-dscf0896.jpg
I've seen similar internal partitioning in other designs, & wondered "if" they & the holes could be considered in some way/s, a multiple bandpass type of arrangement ? I know Elbert's design is a Closed Box design, but even so might there be some internal tuning interactions occurring ?
Also what about a ported version with similar etc innards ?
in here http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/subwoofers/199009-completed-build-inspiration.html & in particular this screenie http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/atta...6086-completed-build-inspiration-dscf0896.jpg
I've seen similar internal partitioning in other designs, & wondered "if" they & the holes could be considered in some way/s, a multiple bandpass type of arrangement ? I know Elbert's design is a Closed Box design, but even so might there be some internal tuning interactions occurring ?
Also what about a ported version with similar etc innards ?
I think you mean "Karlson" for a multi-resonant design!
I was wondering the same thing too - if there are any repeating dimensions inside the interior partitions. But can't matter too much due to dimensions, locations, etc.
But I recently asked about cardboard cones. Replies did not give me much sense of closure.
But sound from inside probably can leak out through our thin cardboard cones. Who knows????? For sure it can leak out through ports.
I am sometimes surprised at the lack of intuition in the implementation of mammoth internal bracing when just a few braces bridging the centers of opposite sides would do the trick at a fraction of the weight and fuss and less loss of internal volume too.
Ben
I was wondering the same thing too - if there are any repeating dimensions inside the interior partitions. But can't matter too much due to dimensions, locations, etc.
But I recently asked about cardboard cones. Replies did not give me much sense of closure.
But sound from inside probably can leak out through our thin cardboard cones. Who knows????? For sure it can leak out through ports.
I am sometimes surprised at the lack of intuition in the implementation of mammoth internal bracing when just a few braces bridging the centers of opposite sides would do the trick at a fraction of the weight and fuss and less loss of internal volume too.
Ben
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Hi, no not really, but i see what you were thinking
Rather boxes with more than 2 tuned compartments, either behind and/or in front of the driver/s.
Using Elbert's example, his box is divided into 11 internal compartments, & each one is ported into the adjoining ones. I realise the modus operandi wasn't to port/tune in that way, but my thoughts were that it "seems" to amount to that ? In which case i'm wondering what overall effect it has, compared to an empty box with driver/s ?
Bracing
I had been thinking the same....
Bracing should not impede airflow, unless it is intended to affect tuning... in which case it would be mor ethan just bracing, and presumably ports and their dimensions would enter calculations, as well as the many connected volumes.
Clearly this rather solid bracing will impede airflow.
If he made more or larger holes, much better airflow could be eachieved without reducing stiffness.
If the builder is happy with the result, good for him!
If the box was modelled as a simple single volume, I'd be surprised if the measured response and output, etc matched the predicted and actual stats for a cabinet without impeded airflow.
Another issue - the sheer amount of wood must have reduced the internal volume of this cabinet by over 10%, which must also affect the end results, unless the builder made the cabinet sufficiently large by included the lost volume in his calculations.
It would be very interesting to model such a complex cabinet, abnd the tunings could be quite special, I look forward to more information!
Regards, Ben
I had been thinking the same....
Bracing should not impede airflow, unless it is intended to affect tuning... in which case it would be mor ethan just bracing, and presumably ports and their dimensions would enter calculations, as well as the many connected volumes.
Clearly this rather solid bracing will impede airflow.
If he made more or larger holes, much better airflow could be eachieved without reducing stiffness.
If the builder is happy with the result, good for him!
If the box was modelled as a simple single volume, I'd be surprised if the measured response and output, etc matched the predicted and actual stats for a cabinet without impeded airflow.
Another issue - the sheer amount of wood must have reduced the internal volume of this cabinet by over 10%, which must also affect the end results, unless the builder made the cabinet sufficiently large by included the lost volume in his calculations.
It would be very interesting to model such a complex cabinet, abnd the tunings could be quite special, I look forward to more information!
Regards, Ben
Raymond Rodden's patent shows what I think is a three chamber BP4 with two equal volumes in front of the sealed rear chamber and a "Karlson-slot" divider for the two front chambers. A hole or vent is placed on the outside of the outer chamber. Its not intuitive what that divider would do as I'd guess it to be ~transparent at low frequencies (?) I've built an 18" klam projector and watched the wings bend on drumbeats so it may provide some load.(?)
Speaker housing - Google Patents
my 18" toy klam has a regular front chamber and high tuning compared to a regular BP4
Speaker housing - Google Patents
my 18" toy klam has a regular front chamber and high tuning compared to a regular BP4
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