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Old 26th December 2010, 08:53 AM   #1
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HI all first post on the forum so i appoligise if it is in the wrong area.

I'm chasing some info about crossovers i have a yammy amp which is able to run two sets of front speakers and i also have a spare sub laying around (the amp in it blew) my question is if i put a basic xover in between the out put of the amp and the sub at say 80hz there shouldnt be any problems?? the impediances match up and the speaker can handle the out put of the amp i currently have a 12 inch but would like to put this 10 inch to good use and this is the most cost effective way i can think of

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Old 26th December 2010, 10:32 AM   #2
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You will find it less expensive, and a better solution to just buy a budget plate amp for it.

Caps & coils to work at 80 Hz are BIG and cost alot.

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Old 26th December 2010, 06:13 PM   #3
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here are links to parts express low pass filters at 80 hz for both 4 ohm and 8 ohm speakers for less than $20 each.
but you only mentioned that you have "front" outputs, which i imagine would be left and right channels. which means if you were to hook this sub to your amp it would be through either the left or right channel, which means that you are only playing one side of the low end response. unless you are using a dvc sub, where you could connect one voice coil to the left and the other voice coil to the right. but then you would need to buy two low pass filters.
in addition, by using a low pass filter on your sub you are wasting about 30% of the power that your amp is putting into your sub. so i would agree with dave, it would be best to buy a cheap sub plate amp that will deliver a mono low frequency signal to the sub and deliver the filtered signals to a left and right output where you can attach your current speaks to. all done without wasting power. parts express has a 70 watt sub amp like this for about $70.
but it's your call. hope this helped.

80 Hz Low Pass 4 Ohm Crossover | Parts-Express.com ...(4 ohm)
80 Hz Low Pass 8 Ohm Crossover | Parts-Express.com ...(8 ohm)
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Old 27th December 2010, 02:23 AM   #4
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It has to be said, too, that the PE crossovers, valid alternative that they are, do not use the big and expensive parts needed to give highest possible sound quality.
A bipolar electrolytic and a modest (iron, ferrite?, can't tell) cored inductor are not great ingredients for HQ LF.
Also, every passive crossover's response is heavily affected by changes in the driver impedance within several octaves either side if the nominal XO frequency. LPFs at ~100Hz are usually on the upper slope of the driver / systems LF resonance(s) and the results are rarely anything like you might be hoping for.
If you can accomodate it, go the active route. Even a modest plate sub amp will give you much more or the 'thump' that you expect from a sub than ANY passive crossover.
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Old 27th December 2010, 08:24 AM   #5
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Let's see....

$35 for a 115W plate amplifier with a 24dB crossover.....

Or

$20 for a low quality 12dB passive crossover........

Tough decision.

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Old 27th December 2010, 11:56 PM   #6
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where are you finding this $35 plate amp? i would love to get my hands on one of those for such a wonderful price!
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Old 28th December 2010, 12:02 AM   #7
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already posted but here it is again. I bought 10 of them.

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Old 28th December 2010, 10:15 AM   #8
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"where are you finding this $35 plate amp? i would love to get my hands on one of those for such a wonderful price! "

See where it says in post #5 :

NHT drivers and electronics surplus sale,

Click on it (hint: click-able links are a gray color).
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Old 28th December 2010, 02:02 PM   #9
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Kepp in mind that when using passive x-overs at these frequencies, an impedance-correction is a must, especially when dealing with sub-drivers with a high Le... An active X-Over does a sooo much better job than a simple passive xover like the one linked above... ANd even if one would go through all the trouble to compensate everything "going wrong" in a passive x-over, it still would be inferiour to a active-solution.
In Europe, active-xovers of very high quality are sold for around 30,--, doing it yourself is a matter of a few bucks.... A plate Amp (aka "subwoofer-modul" in Germay) with everything you need can be bought under 100 Euros, when on sale, sometimes 60 euros is possible.
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