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Old 24th June 2013, 03:27 PM   #291
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Tham 15 was chosen by me simply for size and freq response. I have built previously MTH-30, which doesn't have that low response, its about 10hz higher, but i liked character of the tone. So, my assumption was that THAM-15 would be best suitable design. (it's little heavier that i want, but not too bad)..

Question is this.. At which frequency do you crossover this box and tops. I currently have EV SX-300 like tops, crossed over at 120Hz. Everything sound great with, deep, tech, dub, and other types of music with deep articulate bass.. But with trance, current EDM hits, and other content where there is no sub frequencies, i have impression that simple bass reflex boxes tuned higher is all i need, this types of music is like produced wit trashy sound systems in mind
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Old 25th June 2013, 05:41 AM   #292
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For intended high power applications (~1kw) using high end drivers :

HPF 40Hz 24dB/Oct* - LPF 140Hz 24dB/Oct*

*/ Prefered if possible - 48dB/Oct (usually granted by most modern procerssors)

For lower power applications the HPF may be set lower, ~ 30Hz.

Make sure your dirvers can handle the power, the above (top) high power applications senario is amied against ~2kw ~10mm xmax drivers such as 15TBX100 and the like.

The advantages using a tapped horn design is not only limited to very good volumetric efficiency (dB/dm3) over it's given operating range (even if range limited compared to Br designs) but it also adress sound quality, this is to some extent subjective, but SQ is the most noticable feedback I recieve for all the THAM designs to date, I hope you feel they where worth the time spent on build and money spent on drivers.
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Old 8th July 2013, 01:37 PM   #293
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I have measured response, and is very close to calculated. I'm using grill which is probably little more dense than it should.. probably about 50% open.. (Purchased and received this grill by mail, i was expecting something with bigger holes). To my surprise, response did not change in output, but there is a small change in response.. about 50Hz response is little stronger with grill (1-2 db), and dip around 170 Hz is deeper. I measured this with relatively small power.. maybe 10V..

My question is, if response in db is not much changed with small volume signal, when i apply bigger power, is it output also sustained with grill? Or there is a possibility for lower then max signal ?
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Old 8th July 2013, 05:21 PM   #294
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My question is, if response in db is not much changed with small volume signal, when i apply bigger power, is it output also sustained with grill? Or there is a possibility for lower then max signal ?
The frequency response change the grill affords should be linear regarding power.

That said, in high power tests of a TH (different design than the Tham) I found the upper response to reduce at high volume, compared to using the same speaker in a bass reflex cabinet where low frequency response was reduced at high volume.
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Old 30th December 2013, 01:32 AM   #295
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This driver below looks like some type of B&C clone. I have built a pair of THAM15's using the Dayton 380 speakers and they sound great but are limited by 5mm xmax. I'm wondering if I would be better served to switch to the new PA385 or just build another pair with the PA380. Is there a an ipad compatible version of horn-response? Thanks.



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Old 31st December 2013, 01:11 AM   #296
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This driver below looks like some type of B&C clone. I have built a pair of THAM15's using the Dayton 380 speakers and they sound great but are limited by 5mm xmax. I'm wondering if I would be better served to switch to the new PA385 or just build another pair with the PA380. Is there a an ipad compatible version of horn-response? Thanks.



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Hey there - I am trying to master Hornresp myself, so I will see if I can be of assistance to you. I actually modeled this comparison about a month ago when I first saw the Dayton PA-385S was being introduced. I have four attachments, here is what they are:



Attachment #1 - The grey trace is the PA380 @ 1 watt, the black trace is the PA385S @ 1 watt.

Attachment #2 - The grey trace is the PA380 maxed out at 200 watts. The black trace is the PA385S maxed out at 800 watts.

Attachment #3 - This is four of the PA380 drivers maxed out at 800 watts @ 2 ohms.

Attachment #4 - This is two of the PA385S drivers maxed out at 1600 watts@ 4 ohms.


I am no expert on this, but I believe these calculations should give you a pretty good idea what to expect in the two scenarios you mentioned. It looks like you would come out about the same for Max SPL either way.

I guess it really comes down to if you want to build two more cabinets and spend $150 on speakers, or not build any more cabinets and spend $400 on speakers. I would also take into consideration you amp, and if it can run safely at 2 ohms if you are going to be running four of the PA380 drivers on one amp channel. If you go with the PA385S, do you have an amp with that much power, or can you bridge you amp to achieve that much power?
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Old 31st December 2013, 01:20 AM   #297
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Thanks DHAA, that is exactly the comparison I was looking for. I will order PA385s drivers as soon as they are available and post my impressions. Thanks again.
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Old 16th January 2014, 02:16 PM   #298
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For those of you who have built this TH, subjectively, is the bass extension deep enough for most music?

I mostly listen to rock with some classical and electronica, no pipe organ music.
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Old 16th January 2014, 08:34 PM   #299
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For those of you who have built this TH, subjectively, is the bass extension deep enough for most music?

I mostly listen to rock with some classical and electronica, no pipe organ music.
I have not built this particular cabinet, but have lots of experience with cabinets with a similar LF response.
The Tham 15 is a very good compromise for size, sensitivity, and LF response, but is around -6 dB at 40 Hz. Excursion rises rapidly below that point, so it can't produce clean high SPL output below 40 Hz.

With much modern rock having quite a bit of output to 30 Hz, I notice when a cabinet is not making it to 40 Hz.
Many (if not most) bass guitars are now 5 string, the low note has gone from a low E at 41 to a low B at 31 Hz.

If you are not familiar with hearing LF extension that low, you won't miss it, but after hearing it, it makes a big difference.

Subjectively, I find a the difference between loosing the 1/3 octave from 40 to 30 Hz similar to loosing the 1/3 octave between 12,500 and 16,000, with the exception that there are frequent musical fundamental notes in the lower range, but none in the higher range.

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Old 16th January 2014, 08:47 PM   #300
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That is kinda what I was thinking. I was thinking a target of 30hz was more realistic. These look awesome for what they are but I might be missing something. I listen to a lot of modern rock with synth bass in addition to electric bass (NIN for example).
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