The DubHorn:Wi's TC 5100NEO loaded 20hz horn. - Page 3

Wisounds · 28th March 2010, 04:18 AM

maxmercy has been helping me with the sims, I'll get the input data for you.

No ******* contest, simply 20hz at 140db using the 5100 driver.

The music I play is Drum and Bass and Dubstep. Both have measurable content at and below 20hz. I have heard this particular music on many direct-radiating systems and none were as capable as the THTs.

The DRwiK turned out great actually, even worked with the 12w0s.

With the THTs the upper bandwidth gets a little mushy higher than 80-90hz.

Haven't decided on the kickbin thing yet, this sub build is my primary focus right now.

BP1Fanatic · 28th March 2010, 04:45 AM

How big can each enclosure be?
Arn't your THT's 36" x 36" x 24", 18ft^3, or 509.706L externally?

Wisounds · 28th March 2010, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BP1Fanatic

Arn't your THT's 36" x 36" x 24", 18ft^3, or 509.706L externally?

Yup

Quote:

Originally Posted by BP1Fanatic

How big can each enclosure be?

As small as can get the job done, I'd like to try and keep it shaped so I can place casters and handles for either rolling or 2 person carrying. The THTs were a tad frustrating at house parties. I may do up a pair of ported enclosures just for houses.

jbell · 01:37 AM

wi:

I am certainly not one to argue with the direction you want to go. However, I'll put out one thing I've found about 'uber-drivers.' They typically don't live up to their uber-rep, especially end of the night, when voice coil heating, and other factors are figured in. I have typically found that several cheaper drivers does better than one big expensive one. That is why my hornresp sim was for a quad of 3015lf's, not your chosen 5100neo. My sim was only 200watts into each driver, only 50% of the coils PE. If you'd like a good example of compression, look no further than lelands own T48's.. ProSpeakers Forum - Fitzmaurice Titan 48 - Wayne Parham, October 21, 2007 at 14:31:26

Just so you'd have an idea of what I proposed, here is a cartoon of it. I don't know if this fits your idea of correct size or not, but it would be easy to put wheels on it, and make it a one man job to move. Personally I would cut it in half and put strap handles on each side, so I could carry, not wheel.

anyway, good luck, and I look forward to seeing your hornresp sim so I know better what you are contemplating.

Wisounds · 29th March 2010, 02:07 AM

That build looks relatively simple in comparison. No final design has yet been settled on, but I'm contemplating all options.

I am pretty locked on the 5100 however. It will be a good experiment to see how uber the driver is. If anyone can break it, I can

You should see what I did to a DVC voice coil hehe.

jbell · 29th March 2010, 03:39 AM

yea... once you get an idea...

I congratulate you on your drive, and persistence...

You break that quad 3015lf big box down into small 250 liter boxes -- you get a modular system that scales from house parties, to getting the cops called in from another city. The spl chart is 250watts per driver * 16. (still half price of 4 neo5100's)

sorry, I'm like you... I get an idea, and stick with it. Right now that prevailing thought for me is multiple small boxes. (I'm getting old, I think...)

Have fun, and post your results.

Wisounds · 29th March 2010, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbell

You break that quad 3015lf big box down into small 250 liter boxes -- you get a modular system that scales from house parties, to getting the cops called in from another city. The spl chart is 250watts per driver * 16. (still half price of 4 neo5100's)

That sim you have there is for 16 drivers right? So 4 of the quad 15" boxes?

Awful damn flat.

And dividing the big horn into 4 smaller horns is a good idea for scalability.

Don't get too hung up on the price of the 5100, I'm direct.

FlipC · 29th March 2010, 04:27 AM

JBell
Heres the HR
ID=23.40
Ang=2.0 x Pi
Eg=60.00
Rg=0.00
Fta=4.03
S1=336.00
S2=880.42
Con=10.00
F12=0.00
S2=880.42
S3=5000.53
Con=500.40
F23=0.00
S3=5000.53
S4=6000.00
Con=54.00
F34=0.00
S4=0.00
S5=0.00
L45=0.00
F45=0.00
Sd=1680.00
Bl=32.60
Cms=6.30E-05
Rms=10.70
Mmd=437.80
Le=1.30
Re=3.30
TH=2P
Vrc=0.00
Lrc=0.00
Ap1=0.00
Lpt=0.00
Vtc=0.00
Atc=0.00
Com=TH 221 Clone B&C 21SW150 21" 4 Ohm 1500w 15mm Xmax 60v

And WiSound -
You do realize the distance needed to hear a 20 hz wave correct? IE You are never going to be in a house with a big enough room for you to actually hear it. Now the neighbors down the road will for sure. And the neighbors down the road from them as well.
Side note - built some McCauley 6174 18" reflex cabs back in the 90's.
18 cubic feet tuned to 25 Hz. Built 6. You could dry your hair with them and not hear a thing since they had a low pass of 30 Hz. Move back 60 feet and you couldn't sit and your eyes wouldn't focus, testicls would bounce in your sack. That was a beast of a driver back then. Damn fun.

So what is your top DubStep track at the moment?
Favorite DnB track?

Wisounds · 29th March 2010, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipC

So what is your top DubStep track at the moment?

Bone Loc-Spacecataz

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipC

Favorite DnB track?

Lomax-Artisan

TBH it changes daily, gotta do top 10s sometime. The new Phace LP is sick.

All time DnB demo tune is Original Sin - Decibel, main bass is centered at 35hz.

FlipC · 30th March 2010, 06:41 AM

Well I cant remember my MySpace log in at the moment so I cant check out that Bone Loc track. Less you got another link for it?
Checked out 2 other tracks by artist. Typical dubstep to me.
The Lomax - Artisan VIP mix. Been there over 10 years ago. Though it does get nice an low.

So far my top 2 dubstep tracks are
White Lies - "Death" Chase & Status rmx & La Roux "In for the kill" Skream rmx.
Course that one made Skream HUGE. Chase & Status - well they are just good. Numerous DnB tracks by them I like.

Rule 1 - if you have to be drugs to dance to it. It isn't dance music.
Rule 2 - if you have to be on drugs to feel it - it is just fodder.

1% great
2% good
The rest is just crap made for a buck.

So what about those inputs?

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28th March 2010, 04:18 AM	#21
Wisounds diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2008	maxmercy has been helping me with the sims, I'll get the input data for you. No ******* contest, simply 20hz at 140db using the 5100 driver. The music I play is Drum and Bass and Dubstep. Both have measurable content at and below 20hz. I have heard this particular music on many direct-radiating systems and none were as capable as the THTs. The DRwiK turned out great actually, even worked with the 12w0s. With the THTs the upper bandwidth gets a little mushy higher than 80-90hz. Haven't decided on the kickbin thing yet, this sub build is my primary focus right now.

28th March 2010, 04:45 AM	#22
BP1Fanatic diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio	How big can each enclosure be? Arn't your THT's 36" x 36" x 24", 18ft^3, or 509.706L externally?

29th March 2010, 02:07 AM	#25
Wisounds diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2008	That build looks relatively simple in comparison. No final design has yet been settled on, but I'm contemplating all options. I am pretty locked on the 5100 however. It will be a good experiment to see how uber the driver is. If anyone can break it, I can You should see what I did to a DVC voice coil hehe.

29th March 2010, 04:27 AM	#28
FlipC diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2008	JBell Heres the HR ID=23.40 Ang=2.0 x Pi Eg=60.00 Rg=0.00 Fta=4.03 S1=336.00 S2=880.42 Con=10.00 F12=0.00 S2=880.42 S3=5000.53 Con=500.40 F23=0.00 S3=5000.53 S4=6000.00 Con=54.00 F34=0.00 S4=0.00 S5=0.00 L45=0.00 F45=0.00 Sd=1680.00 Bl=32.60 Cms=6.30E-05 Rms=10.70 Mmd=437.80 Le=1.30 Re=3.30 TH=2P Vrc=0.00 Lrc=0.00 Ap1=0.00 Lpt=0.00 Vtc=0.00 Atc=0.00 Com=TH 221 Clone B&C 21SW150 21" 4 Ohm 1500w 15mm Xmax 60v And WiSound - You do realize the distance needed to hear a 20 hz wave correct? IE You are never going to be in a house with a big enough room for you to actually hear it. Now the neighbors down the road will for sure. And the neighbors down the road from them as well. Side note - built some McCauley 6174 18" reflex cabs back in the 90's. 18 cubic feet tuned to 25 Hz. Built 6. You could dry your hair with them and not hear a thing since they had a low pass of 30 Hz. Move back 60 feet and you couldn't sit and your eyes wouldn't focus, testicls would bounce in your sack. That was a beast of a driver back then. Damn fun. So what is your top DubStep track at the moment? Favorite DnB track?

30th March 2010, 06:41 AM	#30
FlipC diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2008	Well I cant remember my MySpace log in at the moment so I cant check out that Bone Loc track. Less you got another link for it? Checked out 2 other tracks by artist. Typical dubstep to me. The Lomax - Artisan VIP mix. Been there over 10 years ago. Though it does get nice an low. So far my top 2 dubstep tracks are White Lies - "Death" Chase & Status rmx & La Roux "In for the kill" Skream rmx. Course that one made Skream HUGE. Chase & Status - well they are just good. Numerous DnB tracks by them I like. Rule 1 - if you have to be drugs to dance to it. It isn't dance music. Rule 2 - if you have to be on drugs to feel it - it is just fodder. 1% great 2% good The rest is just crap made for a buck. So what about those inputs?