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30th August 2012, 10:23 PM  #141 
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while you can use a th higher than two octaves from the low corner and the response is alot cleaner than hornresp suggests, its still less than ideal sound quality wise. see the impulse spectogram (ctrl+h in spl response window) to see what i mean. compare it to a closed box for giggles. just from experience, i didnt mind using my 30hz th's up to 200hz, they measured fine too, but listenening to them alone did sound slightly weird "hollow" with higher tones.
also, you set the segments to PAR, which should be quite difficult to realize. i prefer conical for the straight walls. 
31st August 2012, 07:18 AM  #142  
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Just to clarify, if a rectangular crosssection horn segment has two parallel straight walls and two nonparallel straight walls, then the actual area expansion will be parabolic not conical. It is therefore more accurate to specify Par rather than Con in this case. Kind regards, David
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31st August 2012, 11:16 AM  #143 
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thanks
then i have to say, it doesnt seem to matter, since i did it wrong with several tapped horn subwoofers and didnt realize it, despite measuring alot. i guess room modes >> build accuracy, even in nearfield. edit: let me use this opportunity to say thank you for your amazing program and your support! both has helped me so much with this hobby. Last edited by MaVo; 31st August 2012 at 11:22 AM. 
1st September 2012, 06:16 AM  #145  
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Hi MaVo,
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Kind regards, David
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2nd September 2012, 08:02 AM  #146  
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Could you please clarify why the area expansion is parabolic? If S is the cross section area and a (constant) and b (linearly expanded) are the rectangular dimensions, then: S=a*b. If b=k*x (where k is a constant and x the horn axis) then S=a*k*x, but a*k is also a constant so it appears to me that S expands conically? What I am missing? Thank you, 

2nd September 2012, 09:06 AM  #147 
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Hi ConExp,
Sorry, my mistake  I was not thinking too clearly at the time :). It is the equivalent axisymmetric radius that has a parabolic expansion rate, not the area. The plane crosssectional area of an axisymmetric parabolic horn will expand conically with axial length  the same as for a rectangular horn segment having two parallel straight walls and two nonparallel straight walls. This is why I suggested using Par rather than Con. My apologies for any confusion caused. Kind regards, David
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3rd September 2012, 04:50 AM  #148  
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Attachment 1 shows how the plane crosssectional area of a conical horn varies nonlinearly with axial length. S = S1 * (x ^ 2) Where S is the area at distance x from the cone origin or vertex, and S1 is the area at distance x = 1 from the origin. Attachment 2 shows how the plane crosssectional area of a parabolic horn varies linearly with axial length. S = S1 * x Where S is the area at distance x from the parabola origin, and S1 is the area at distance x = 1 from the origin. Kind regards, David
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3rd September 2012, 09:05 AM  #149 
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David,
my head must have got twisted back to front when I pulled on my pullover this morning. Could you explain that for me.
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3rd September 2012, 05:15 PM  #150  
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As the area of your conical horn increases by a linear factor of the length in x dimesion, and in y dimension, the area increases by a multiple of this, therefor a quadratic factor of the length. In order for the area to increase linearly, you have to decrease the rate of expansion the further out you move, in an (inverse) parabolic fashion. As hornresp simulates the horns as having circular cross sections, you need this parabolic expansion (that is: width expands with length^0.5 and height expands with length^0.5, leading to a total expansion rate constant with length^1). Another way to achieve this expansion rate is to have one dimesion (eg height) expand linearly with the length, but keep the other dimesion constant (width of the horn stays the same). Total area expansion is then still linear. Therefore to have the same rate of area expansion for these typical horns with 2 parallel sides, you need to simulate them as Par.
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