|
|||||||
| Home | Forums | Rules | Articles | Store | Gallery | Blogs | Register | Donations | FAQ | Calendar | Search | Today's Posts | Mark Forums Read | Search |
|
Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.
Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving |
|
![]() |
|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
#1 |
|
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
|
Over in the tapped horn thread, I posted a cheap and easy to build tapped horn. I decided to break it off that thread, to keep all the details in one place.
Here's the post: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...36#post1383036 |
|
|
|
#2 |
|
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
|
Here's a couple of pics of me putting it together:
![]() Gluing the end caps Believe it or not, I had all the sonotubes AND the woofers just sitting in my garage |
|
|
|
#3 |
|
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Goderich
|
Thanks for posting, I read the post in the collaborative thread and found it interesting. Keep us informed!
|
|
|
|
#4 |
|
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Dallas, Tx, USA
|
I thought your were going to put this together in an hour
![]() Seriously though, let us know when you have this project up and running, .. I have two of those MCM drivers working in different "Tuba" horns.
__________________
"Any fool can know. The point is to understand" - Albert Einstein |
|
|
|
#5 | |
|
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
|
Quote:
Because the Autotuba's response falls so quickly, it has a lot of "slam" and efficiency, but lacks the deep bass that carfi guys know so well. You might get the best of both worlds if you used EQ to "cut" the midbass though. I was a bit concerned about frying the driver, because I was feeding it about 800 watts! (it's rated for 100 IIRC
|
|
|
|
|
#6 |
|
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
|
Bad news - I had second thoughts about the viability of this, so I went back to the drawing board.
Good news - I solved the problem. Here's how I did it. Anytime you're building a horn, you're juggling a bunch of variables. If you want efficiency, you have to sacrifice extension. If you want to make it smaller, the response gets ragged. You can smooth the response with careful use of a taper, but that makes the box harder to build. Building horns is tricky. In the design I posted, with a single woofer, I felt the response was too ragged. It was easy to build, but I was worried it wouldn't sound good. I tried fixing that by reducing it's efficiency. Reducing the efficiency smooths the response of a horn. I reduced the box efficiency by adding a second driver in the same horn, basically halving the airspace for each one. That worked well, but the efficiency wasn't much better than a bandpass. Then I tried a trick Dan Wiggins recommends. I added a resistor to the circuit, which raises the QES (and the QTS.) That worked great! By raising the QTS FROM .24 TO .60, the response of the tapped horn was much smoother. Of course efficiency suffers, but I'll take smooth response over efficiency any day! Another bonus is that you could adjust the QTS value by changing the resistor value. Even better, this gives me an easy load for my amp to drive, which is particularly important since I intend to use three or four subwoofers (per Geddes.) The resistor value is five ohms; I intend to use two 10ohm resistors in parallel, which you can get from any ol' Radio Shack. |
|
|
|
#7 |
|
diyAudio Member
|
Consider modifying your amplifier to simulate 5 ohms output impedance.
__________________
I use to feel like the small child in The Emperor's New Clothes tale
|
|
|
|
#8 |
|
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
|
In case anyone's curious, here's how you model the size of the resistor.
http://www.diysubwoofers.org/dipole/design.htm To increase the Qts to the target value, we can use a series resistor Rs, and calculate its value as follows: Qes'=Qts'*Qms/(Qms-Qts') Qes' = 1.75*7/(7-1.75) Qes' = 12.25/5.25 Qes' = 2.33 Rs = Re*(Qes'-Qes)/Qes Rs = 2*(2.33-1.30)/1.30 Rs = 2*1.03/1.30 Rs = 1.6 ohms As we plan to drive the system with 100W of power, assuming 10:1 differences between average and peak levels, we can use a 10W or greater resistor for Rs. |
|
|
|
#9 |
|
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
|
Here's the math for figuring out the resistor with the MCM speakers. In a nutshell you need a 5.67ohm resistor - I just rounded down to 5ohm since they're easy to find at
First, here are the specs of an MCM 55-2421: John Krutke posted these specs a few years back; I have personally measured half a dozen of my woofers, and they're in sync with his measurements. Fs=30.95 hz Qms=12.2863 Qes=0.2365 Qts=0.2320 Vas=23.88 l SPL=86.59 1w/1m Re=3.4 Le=2.42 BL=13.15 Xmax=16mm P-P To increase the Qts to the target value, we can use a series resistor Rs, and calculate its value as follows: Qes'=Qts'*Qms/(Qms-Qts') Qes' = 0.6*12.28/(12.28-0.6) Qes' = 7.37/11.68 Qes' = 0.63 Rs = Re*(Qes'-Qes)/Qes Rs = 3.4*(0.63-0.2365)/0.2365 Rs = 3.4*0.3935/0.2365 Rs = 5.657 ohms |
|
|
|
#10 |
|
diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
|
Here's my original post, from months ago. NOTE I've modified it to reflect the new design, which is 25% longer. In all other respects, it's identical to my original proposal.
This is my design for a tapped horn using the MCM 55-2421, which I still believe is one of the best horn drivers available. The fact that it's $25 is a bonus. The goals of this design were different than what a lot of you guys are going for. This one is optimized to be as small as possible. It's also INCREDIBLY simple to build. It's a eight foot tall sonotube, with a plywood divider running down the middle. There isn't even a taper! Because it's efficiency is lower than most tapped horns (about 96db) you don't get a lot of ripple. I think this tapped horn would be great for car stereo too, but you'd have to come up with a novel folding scheme. (Unless you can figure out a way to squeeze an eight foot long subwoofer into your car!!) So here's how to build it: 1. Get a 8ft tall sonotube that's 10" across 2. Get a piece of plywood, cut it to 10" x 90" 3. Cut out a 7.5" hole for the woofer. The location of the hole is very important. The centerpoint of the hole must be 18" from the end of your 90" piece of plywood. 4. Put the two MCM woofers in the hole 5. Put the plywood divider right inside the sonotube 6. Cap one end of the sonotube completely. Leave a 5" gap between the end cap and your piece of plywood 7. Put a cap on the other end that covers up one HALF of the sonotube 8. That's it! |
|
![]() |
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| Tapped Horn For Car | mwmkravchenko | Subwoofers | 365 | 17th November 2011 10:22 AM |
| Evolution of the Tapped Horn | Don Snyder | Subwoofers | 30 | 18th August 2010 01:06 PM |
| Tapped Horn for Midrange | Patrick Bateman | Full Range | 2 | 30th October 2006 02:09 PM |
| New To Site? | Need Help? |