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charliemb 17th February 2013 12:22 PM

Binding Posts
 
Regarding the Cardas CCBP heavy billet Copper binding post, this appears to
be unplated copper. Doesn't copper corrode long term?

Jeff Glowacki 18th February 2013 01:55 AM

Sometimes it does not take very long:p I never understood people using these, but some swear by them. A few have said that they let theirs turn and do nothing about it, and yet, they sound good:confused: Beauty is in the ear of the beholder. Some people do not want anything between them and their music. That includes plating on their binding posts. I suggest at least using a preservative like ProGold. This does protect them.

For me, I prefer the CCGR. Binding posts are a convention. They allow easy connection and disconnection. If you were the super puritan type, you would not use posts at all (as some have chose). You would hard wire the speaker. For the majority, the ones who use posts, why would you use a post that requires such care? Further, I prefer the sound of the CCGR over the CCBP. I find the CCBP a bit rolled. Perhaps it is the shear size of this solid conductor. Whatever the case, the Silver plate and Rhodium flash sounds better to me. Don't get me wrong, I do believe the Gold plate (CCGG) has its place if one will benefit from taming the highs or warming on the whole. However, these are subtle effects. The more refined the system, the more noticeable they are. But, I have listen to many systems where the differences would be utterly undetectable:(

planet10 18th February 2013 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by charliemb (Post 3373353)
Regarding the Cardas CCBP heavy billet Copper binding post,

I had the opportunity to work with these. They ae not very good IMO.

dave

Jeff Glowacki 18th February 2013 03:18 AM

What is your preference and why?

planet10 18th February 2013 03:45 AM

Eventually they were replaced with these for higher performance http://qcomponents.ca/product.php?pr...cat=115&page=1

An upgrade to the plugs in the cup: http://www.partsconnexion.com/product7483.html

If we what to go all out, the Eichmann: http://www.partsconnexion.com/product1873.html

The WBT next Gen look interesting, haven't tried them yet.

dave

Jeff Glowacki 18th February 2013 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by planet10 (Post 3374397)
Eventually they were replaced with these for higher performance Q-components

An upgrade to the plugs in the cup: http://www.partsconnexion.com/product7483.html

If we what to go all out, the Eichmann: http://www.partsconnexion.com/product1873.html

The WBT next Gen look interesting, haven't tried them yet.

dave

Surely you jest:confused:

I think he is looking for improvement. I can not completely make out what you are trying to convey due to your typos, but that is definitely headed in the wrong direction. The Goldwoods are total crap including their ferromagnetic hardware. The product in the second link is not much better than the first, and the CCBP is superior to them easily.

The Eichmann RCAs have their place, but the cablepods, not so good. Again, I find the CCBP better than the cablepods. However, I did have the cablepods on Sale for $55 per set for over four months. Why so long? Probably because too many people were buying the superior CCGR.

I have listened to the WBTs, not to mention I was a dealer, they are over priced "for what they are". And still, the CCGR sounds better IMO.

Assuming you have some actual experience with the CCBP, I can only deduce that their was some kind of problem. Further, your recommendations might be a bit too frugal for this conversation. However, I encourage you to check out our current specials. The Vampire BP-Hex is seriously cheap for being the best Brass metal based post I have heard.

BTW, I truly appreciated your participation in my forum whether I agree with your views, or not . However, as a moderator yourself in the Vendor Forums, I find it distasteful for you to have posted in my forum with links to one of my primary competitors. At the very least, I would have assumed you would have linked directly to a manufacturer. I believe diyAudio has some rules or concern regarding "conflicts of interest". In any event, please do not do this again.

planet10 18th February 2013 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Glowacki (Post 3374470)
I can not completely make out what you are trying to convey due to your typos

Sorry about that, i am renowned for my poor typing.

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The Goldwoods are total crap
They may be cheesy, but like many connectors, low price usually means less metal. What does it say about the Cardas that they sound better.

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The product in the second link is not much better than the first
You may not agree, but some do. I have seen these same posts on 5-10k amplifiers -- good ones.

BTW, one can make the Cardas sound better by completely removing the nuts on them (if you use bananas)

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superior CCGR
Fancy looking, and following in the male, "mine is bigger than yours" tradition, but i found their performance hugely underwhelming (i am being polite).

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you have some actual experience with the CCBP
A number of sets. On amps and speakers.

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your recommendations might be a bit too frugal for this conversation.
I am after all a frugal-phile(tm)


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However, as a moderator yourself in the Vendor Forums, I find it distasteful for you to have posted in my forum
I am a member 1st, if you do not see a cop smiley i am not a moderator. I am sorry i did not notice that this was a vendor forum (a common error by many members, there is no clear indication that separates the regular forum from the vendor forums), as the moderator on your forum you are free to delete my posts maybe you should). I am only passing on my experience.

dave

Jeff Glowacki 18th February 2013 08:19 AM

Dave,

No problem. I hunt and peck, so I can not really say I type.

I have not always found low mass to be good.

I have seen much more expensive amps use those huge WBTs, and we both know what those sound like. The low copper content brass is not helping either. High priced audio gear is not exempt from poor sounding parts. If one were using bananas with their CCGRs, it would be reasonable to remove the binding nuts. If they were using CCGRs, I would hope they would use spades.

Most high-end amps and speakers that use cardas posts use the HCBP or ACBP....not good. And remember, I do not care for the CCBP.

Please express the actual sonic issues you noticed with the CCBP. Assuming it was not the HCBP or ACBP. Further, please compare it to what you hear with the cablepods. I find the cablepods very overpriced, and I am not even a Frugal-file:D

I will share this though. When I first started building speakers back in the 70s, I use to use long small stainless steel screws for terminals. I screwed them in from the inside, and double nutted them on the outside. It was cheap:D However, over time, I found the same thing I found with non-inductive resistors that use stainless end caps. Stainless sounds bad.

I asked for your opinion, and have no intention of deleting your post.

planet10 18th February 2013 09:17 AM

The differences in sonics comes down to DDR.

dave

Jeff Glowacki 18th February 2013 09:22 AM

I apologize for my lack of familiarity with the abbreviation "DDR". Could you please clarify?


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