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Old 18th February 2013, 10:26 AM   #11
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Downward Dynamic Range. The ability to reproduce subtle information even in the presence of much louder signal. A term coined by Allen Wright.

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Old 18th February 2013, 10:37 AM   #12
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Jeff i thought the Next gen were the best posts made.What is it you don't like about them?
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Old 18th February 2013, 10:44 AM   #13
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Yes, I just figured that out by reading about it. I was looking for something more specific from you own objective/subjective view, rather than a philosophy. I do find it interesting that one who deals in "full range drivers" would be concerned with extended bandwidth. Perhaps I'm viewing it wrong. I could understand one doing everything possible to extend the bandwidth of a "full range driver"

So, you feel (or have heard) the "DDR" is better with those Goldwood binding post than say a Cardas CCGR?
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Old 18th February 2013, 08:11 PM   #14
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DDR is only indirectly related to bandwidth. It is a measure of depth not width, and covers a lot of the territory covered by "audiophile" terminology.

One of the quickest to "spot" is the ability to throw a 3D image which requires both low level detail and clean phase information.

Each set of the Cardas we replaced with one of the mentioned posts (the primary case a set of Woden Victor with FE166eSReN + 2A3 SE) improved DDR.

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Old 21st February 2013, 11:58 AM   #15
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My apologies for the late reply, but priorities do come before my ventures down the rabbit hole

"Depth" as you refer to it here, is a subjective observation of acoustical response. I am discussing binding posts. The only way these could effect DDR as you put it "The ability to reproduce subtle information even in the presence of much louder signal", is if they had some parasitic or reatance. You state the low mass issue, so I assume you are referring to Inductive reactance.

The ability to recreate space (the recording as it was mic'd/mixed) depends on a lot of things. But yes, it depends on signal integrity, and linear phase. Hard gold plate over nickel and god knows what on a stressed low copper brass with magnetic hardware does not bode well with regards to your technical assertion. Lets see, purity of signal (especially low level) through this mess of conductive material...hmm. Magnetic...so, we have limited bandwidth, and phase rotation due to reactance. Sure these effects are small, but the issues you are referring to are tiny in comparison. Perhaps parasitic loss if not an inductive issue, but I have seen the post you refer to with the thread locker all around the hole of the tab insulting this slip connector from the post. The thread locker is often under the nut (and lock washer if present) as well. A lot of signal must go by way of that magnetic hardware to a poor connection with that generally magnetic tab.

You have made reference to a full range driver (I'll refer to this as a 3/4 range driver). This is not a very good reference. The CCBP, which is what started this thread, would not be my selection for that set up. You will note that I referred to the CCBP as rolled before you even posted in this thread. Meaning that the CCBP would add to the problems this 3/4 range driver already has. I could actually see the sonic signature of those cheap post helping many 3/4 range drivers.

You were right, and I should have listened. However, you should not cast shadows on a product that did not work out with "your" unique setup. I know you implied that it did not work out in other applications, but judging by your fancy, it might have always been some unique niche. With all this poor experience you have had, I wonder why you did not just give up on them much sooner Further, with all this exposure to those poor sounding posts, I would think you could have given a little detail (any actually) on how you found their sonic character. Heck, anything outside of a single broad generalization. You have not even mention what model or models that you had experience with.

I have never used (in mods) or recommended the CCBP, ACBP, or HCBP. I have used the CCGR to replace those post you seem to like. The outcome was always positive. I have used the CCGG on very few occasion to help push system synergy in a desired direction. If you like those post, great! Perhaps they just sound better to you, and we do not need a technical reason why they do so. I can live with that. However, I'm working with different experiences. Perhaps you could respect that.
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Jeff i thought the Next gen were the best posts made.What is it you don't like about them?
They are by far the best post (0710) they have made IMO, but I like the Furutech FT-809 (R) better. It is more extended with better air. It sounds more natural to me. It may have slightly more bass weight too. It is generally more money than the 0710 in Cu, but often less than the Ag.

Technically, perhaps it is because the 809 is made from a higher purity copper? Perhaps is is because it has been cryo-ed? Perhaps it is because the 0710 Cu has a thick bronze sub-plate below the very thin gold plate? I know why I do not like the Ag. It sounds like 3/9s silver. To be honest, I do not like the sound of silver until it is at least 5/9s pure. 6 to 7/9s pure OCC silver sounds warmer than any copper I have heard. Anyway, that is another story.

BTW, modified Cardas CPBPs do sound nice for the money, but practical mounting?

I think I have gone way off course in this thread. I'm pretty sure I answered the query in my first reply
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"Depth" as you refer to it here, is a subjective observation of acoustical response. I am discussing binding posts. The only way these could effect DDR as you put it "The ability to reproduce subtle information even in the presence of much louder signal", is if they had some parasitic or reatance. You state the low mass issue, so I assume you are referring to Inductive reactance.
You aren't getting it. I am talking about what is happening "40 dB" down.

The speakers are the ones on the left.

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Just wanted to add my .02$ regarding the unplated copper binding posts. I've not used or heard them but I like the idea of no gold plating, even if it means a bit more care and feeding. No biggie IMHO.

I have used unplated copper spade connectors and to my aging ears they have a certain, hard to describe, quality that any type of plating changes/masks to some extent. I assume the unplated copper bp's would be the same.

The only caveat I have regarding the Cardas (gold plated cu.) binding posts is a mechanical one. I've had a problem with them un-tightening against the plate or cabinet (not against the connection itself). This causes them to twist as you tighten the spade/wire.

Mechanically you can't beat the tried and true Superior bp's. I don't know how they compare in the sonics department but I do remember Bob Crump liked them.

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Old 27th February 2013, 09:48 PM   #19
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You aren't getting it. I am talking about what is happening "40 dB" down.
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If I am not getting it, it is because you are making no sense. I know you do not have any measurements to support this, so I am left with anecdotal evidence or subjective observation. So far, you have not offered any of this. Well, other than, "I think these are much better..."

I guess I'll try baby steps. How do you believe the post you prefer allow this superior performance? You have hinted at low mass. Is this correct? If not, please explain.
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The only caveat I have regarding the Cardas (gold plated cu.) binding posts is a mechanical one. I've had a problem with them un-tightening against the plate or cabinet (not against the connection itself). This causes them to twist as you tighten the spade/wire.
They would twist in the mounting plate? I have never seen this
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